Secession Movement Comes to NH

Granite Staters start petition drive to request President Obama for peaceful right to leave the union.

Across the country, in more than 20 states, signatures are being gathered requesting President Barack Obama to allow states to consider seceding from the union, according to press reports over the weekend.

The states, ranging from blue states like New York and New Jersey, to some of the reddest of the red, in North Dakota and Texas, must collect 25,000 signatures within 30 days to receive an official response from the White House. Texas already has more than 25,000, according to reports. 

On Nov. 11, the movement officially came to New Hampshire.

Free State Project supporter Menno Troyer posted a call to “mobilize New Hampshire” on Facebook last night requesting others sign an online petition to join the other states. The post quickly spread around the site with a number of liberty Republicans and other activists signing onto the movement.

After 150 people have pledged to sign the petition, the drive will be posted on the whitehouse.gov website.

Troyer said he was inspired to start the drive because he does not "like the way the US is going, with regard to personal freedom.” He said there was “a long list of grievances” but admitted that he didn’t want to antagonize the Obama Administration.

Troyer said unlike the national movement, he wasn’t starting New Hampshire’s petition because he was “upset Romney didn’t win.” Between the two, he said, “I slightly prefer Obama.” Troyer said it was more about timing.

“I did this because the moment is right,” he said, “with all those other petitions being filed, and NH did not yet have a petition to secede that was publicly visible at whitehouse.gov.”

Troyer hopes that the Obama Administration will take the request seriously and, at the same time, will grant the states “a peaceful withdrawal,” adding that he feared the military or some other form of force would be used in response to the request, potentially causing another civil war.

Ideally, Troyer would like to see New Hampshire be its own country although he said that a Northern New England combination nation “would be pretty cool, too.”

“One thing I envision,” he said, “if New Hampshire were its own country, given the pro-liberty political climate here, is that it would quickly become the Hong Kong of the North.”

However, he admitted it would be “a tall order” to get 25,000 signatures in 30 days in New Hampshire, because it’s such a small state. A few hours after posting the petition drive, 44 others signed up to assist with seven saying “maybe” to the proposal.

And if the federal government decides not to allow states to secede and things become worse? Troyer has a plan – move to a country where the government is smaller and tends to leave people alone, with far less police control.

“I am eyeing several different options in Latin American countries,” he said. 

ObserverNH November 13, 2012 at 11:59 AM
People are not going to tolerate massive voter fraud and "158% turnout" in some states which suggest those people bragging about voting multiple times were not lying!
Johnny Drama November 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM
I'm sure your buddy Frank Szabo will have a nice warm bed for you when you get there Menno. Adios!
Donald Eckhardt November 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Latin America? Good riddance. Maybe Troyer can start another Jonestown in Guyana.
rick barasso November 13, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Tell me again, the tale of no racists in the republican party...As far as the south suceding, other than Elvis and barbeque what do they bring to the table anyway? And Elvis is dead and barbeque is unhealthy so goodbye goodbye
Misty November 13, 2012 at 01:50 PM
This is really ticking me off. We are now a nation divided. One man can not solve all of our problems. It is hard enough to get three people to agree on one thing say nothing about thousands of people to agree on one thing. The election is over. Not everyone is going to be happy no matter who had won. We now need to pull together as one nation .. work together and pull back together. If every one did just one kind deed to help someone less fortunate then them, we would be on the right path. Seceding from the Union is NOT the answer to the problem. Everyone working as one nation is the answer. You can not expect one person (the President) to be able to solve everyone's problems. So get up off your butts and lets all work together to solve the nations problems.
Misty November 13, 2012 at 01:57 PM
We do not need people who want to divide this country up. If you are not happy here then perhaps you need to move to another country. I for one would not miss any of these radicals.
Atlant November 13, 2012 at 02:20 PM
Links to authoritative sources?
Atlant November 13, 2012 at 02:24 PM
Actually, a strong case could be made that allowing the South to secede again *WOULD* solve most of this (remaining) nation's problems. The federal budget for the remaining states would be eased, we might finally be able to decrease the ridiculously-bloated size of our military, we could undoubtedly pass single-payer health care, grant equal rights to women, etc. The only thing we'd have to be sure of is that we secured all of the nuclear weapons currently on Confederate soil; we wouldn't want yet another fundamentalist religious power loose in the world while armed with nuclear weapons!
Atlant November 13, 2012 at 02:26 PM
Mississippi awaits the secessionists. And if that's not radical enough for them (still too much "nanny state"), maybe Somalia will do? Alternatively, these folks could seek help with their obvious mental problems (including their disconnect from reality). Heck, under Obamacare, they may even be able to get financial help from the government!
Mary Poisson November 13, 2012 at 02:30 PM
Secede? Seriously? Then kiss your 'no sales tax and no income tax' goodbye. What is wrong with you people?
Atlant November 13, 2012 at 03:08 PM
Mary: > What is wrong with you people? If you'll allow me to quote Nicholas Cage playing Cameron Poe in "Con Air": "A lot." This becomes apparent to anyone who has read Patch (or any web forum that allows anonymous comments) for a while.
Moving On November 13, 2012 at 03:17 PM
If you want to Secede, go ahead and do so somewhere else. 150 do not represent the feelings of everyone in NH. Time to put your Big Boy & Big Girl Panties on and get over it!! Move forward and work together to try and build a better country, stop with this division nonsense!! In 4 years you can elect someone different.
HammerNH November 13, 2012 at 03:33 PM
The 'no sales tax and no income tax' reality in New Hampshire has NEVER depended on being part of the USA. In fact, it exists because New Hampshire has been notably DIFFERENT than other states. Fiscal discipline has been the historic rule, not the exception. NH took a LONG time to fall for the Marxist promises of a free lunch. We had 2 additional years of this fiscal sanity since 2010 under Speaker O'Brien, but the accomplice media has hidden those facts, much like they hid Fast & Furious and Benghazi. Along with the massive vote fraud, that fiscal sanity ended last Tuesday. Now that Magi Hah-sahn and the rest of the Marxist cabal are returning to power, a broad based tax is inevitable. Within 2 years there will be a "crisis" that will "force" Hah-sahn to enact at least an income tax. It is the only way to continue the care and feeding of the unionists who populate positions in the government run "schools" and pad the rolls of mostly idle union members at state agencies... for a little while. Secession (and the freedom from unfunded federal mandates) would prevent that, but now it is too late. Rather than being the economic Hong Kong of North America, the grand swindle of 11/6/12 makes NH no better than Massachussetts North.
Atlant November 13, 2012 at 04:36 PM
HammerNH: You are, of course, missing Mary's point. The reasons that NH can continue with "No sales tax and no income tax" are that: 1) NH residents both pay Federal Taxes (income, gasoline excise, etc.) and receive money from the Federal Government. This money comes in many, many forms ranging from Medicaid block grants through Highway Trust Fund subsidies through direct military expenditures through to payments made to defense contractors. All of these would vanish if NH left the Federal Government and would have to be (mostly) made up by NH residents imposing similar taxes on themselves. 2) 60,000+ NH residents cross the border daily to work at jobs in Massachusetts. This might become impossible if the border became a national frontier with Customs and Immigration checkpoints on both sides. Secession by NH would cause quite a fiscal upset to NH residents at all levels. And I've only mentioned a few places where the effects would be felt.
Robert B Butts November 13, 2012 at 05:20 PM
"And if the federal government decides not to allow states to secede and things become worse? " As if there is a better than 0% chance of this happening. Talk about being delusional.
Menno Troyer November 13, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Menno Troyer November 13, 2012 at 05:59 PM
Oops... I should have paid closer attention. I misunderstood Atlant's question. The link is to the Facebook group gathering signature pledges in support of a NH secession petition in the making.
PLD November 13, 2012 at 07:47 PM
The wealthy states where this all began are desparately holding onto their $$$. Obama has openly stated that he wants the rich to pay more! The greed of the rich is now showing up is drastic measures. The average Joe is willing to fight to keep his/her country together.
Lash LaRue November 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM
“When the South raised its sword against the Union’s Flag, it was in defense of the Union’s Constitution.” Confederate General John B. Gordon
Lash LaRue November 13, 2012 at 10:32 PM
A little over 10 years later after the South attempted precisely that, Lincoln, when asked, “Why not let the South go in peace”? replied; “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government”? “And, what then will become of my tariff”? Abraham Lincoln to Virginia Compromise Delegation March 1861
Loretta & Bob Poulin November 14, 2012 at 12:26 AM
I agree with Misty..
Tony Schinella (Editor) November 14, 2012 at 02:08 AM
A quick update: A second secession petition for New Hampshire was also being worked on at the same time as this one. That group reached the 150 threshold and posted on the whitehouse.gov site. As of 9 p.m., there were more than 2,100 signatures posted: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/grant-state-new-hampshire-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/hdTc6HPn
Rick Watrous November 14, 2012 at 02:52 AM
The majority of NH voted to elect Obama, to replace Republican representatives with Democrats (both in Wash DC and the Statehouse), and to put a Democratic woman in the governor's seat... and now a small minority wants the state to secede??? Time to wake up and smell the coffee: New Hampshire is not about to secede just because some people are unhappy with the election results.
rick barasso November 14, 2012 at 03:20 AM
I hope the signatures were accompanied by a state issued photo ID. You know how those teabaggers love photo IDs. Probably should have a copy of everyones birth certificates and college transcripts, may want to have Donald Trump review each signature as well, just to be sure there is no fraud....
Stephen D. Clark November 21, 2012 at 01:48 AM
Petitions to the White House are no way to go about seceding. President Obama doesn't have the authority to grant a state permission to leave the union. Only a bonehead would allow himself to look like an ignoramus by signing such a useless document. There are only two ways to secede: The legitimate way to secede is for a state legislature to officially declare its intention to secede, override a governor's veto if it must, and then the state's elected U.S. representatives in Congress must bring a bill to the floor asking permission from all the other states, although, because there is no provision for it in the Constitution, it isn't clear whether it would take a simple majority vote or a supermajority. I tend to think that, like an amendment, it should take a supermajority. Better yet, there should be an amendment proposed to allow secession within certain parameters later to be determined. I'd vote against it. "Once American territory, always American territory" is my motto for the states. The other way is for a state, through its legislature and governor's signature or veto override, to simply declare its intention to secede, and then use the force of arms to kick out all the officers of the federal government in the state. We know how that will turn out. A rebellion is a revolution that fails. A revolution is a rebellion that succeeds.
Stephen D. Clark November 21, 2012 at 01:52 AM
Don't forget, Mr. Watrous, that petitions to the White House are completely useless since the president has no constitutional authority to grant such a motion. And you're pretty much right about the other point. Petitions not originating from the elected representatives in a state do not represent the official will of the state and, so, are subject to official neglect outside of empty expressions of understanding sympathy.
Soujourner Truth November 25, 2012 at 01:43 PM
It'd be easier to take this seriously if more than 1 of every 12 or so signers were actually from NH. None of you cub journalists find it newsworthy to mention that the Live Free or Die state can't muster its own independence without help from people in, say, Troy NY?
Stephen D. Clark November 25, 2012 at 03:20 PM
As a New Hampshire resident, I didn't instruct my state representative to bring a bill for secession to the floor of the statehouse. No petition originating anywhere else is legitimate. Any petition for secession not originating from state government in Concord has less weight than a photon. Moreover, the president has no authority to respond to such petitions with anything more significant than a shrug of the shoulder. He might respond differently, but it won't be more significant. Nor does he have the power to grant a claim for secession that originates from a state's official political process either. Congress potentially could, but it would take a constitutional amendment to do it. Anyone who signs the petition is someone formally renouncing his allegiance to the United States. Revocation of citizenship would be a good response, and it couldn't really be considered punitive because it would constitute a wish half granted.


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