Ovide Can’t Help Himself
In yesterday’s New Hampshire Gubernatorial Forum hosted by The Children’s Alliance of New Hampshire, Republican candidate for governor Ovide Lamontagne launched an unsolicited and unprovoked attack on families in the midst of an otherwise friendly discussion on how to help Granite State children.
(News article link: http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/337532/gubernatorial-forum-focuses-on-states-youth)
Lamontagne said, "I think, and I think you know, that experience teaches us that the best chance a child has to succeed in this life is to grow up in an intact nuclear family supported by a man and woman who are married to each other with a lifelong commitment… That's the ideal, and we should not be embarrassed to talk about it."
These newest comments continue Lamontagne’s complicated recent history with the popular law that has allowed gay and lesbian couples to marry since 2009. The law was upheld this year by an overwhelming bipartisan House vote in the state legislature where a majority of Republicans supported the preservation of marriage equality.
"Ovide seems, frankly, obsessed with marriage for loving gay and lesbian couples," said Standing Up co-chairman Craig Stowell. "He talks about the issue constantly and now he's found another way to insult New Hampshire families. To suggest that single parents, divorced parents or gay parents are inferior and hurt their children's chances to succeed in life is obscene. If this is what he says in front of a TV camera, I shudder to think of what he saying to people off-camera. Clearly, he does not represent the New Hampshire values of most Granite Staters."
Wesley Sonner
2:17 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
You could just as easily have said, "Lamontagne stands up for Conservative values in NH." It's all in how you look at it. Lots of voters in NH agree with Ovide.
Keith F Thompson
3:44 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
So, are you saying that it is a conservative value that some families are "less than" others? Are you saying that, in the context of state services to children, it is a conservative value that some children are "less than" others because of choices their parents make?
Because, that's the context Mr Lamonagne's comments were made in. How do you continue to call conservative values family values when they are so obviously antagonistic to the majority of families in our state and country?
Feel how you want about single parents and gay parents. Pretend they don't exist, don't invite them to play in any more reindeer games, congratulate yourself and your conservative friends for each and everyone one of you having never made a choice in life someone else wouldn't approve of, for each and every one of you conforming exactly to the June and Ward Cleaver model of life.
But when it comes to children, it is not a family value to treat them differently because of who their parents are, or what their parents do or don't do. That's just bigotry.
Nicole Fante
2:30 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
He is veering off into dangerous territory with those words. Famiies come in so many forms, and as long as children are being cared for responsibly and are healthy and happy, who is to say what is the ideal?
Mike Healey
3:21 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Nothing surprising here. Any of the Republican candidates will push the social engineering agenda of the right and be a rubber stamp for the radical Republican state legislature.
We could easily be subject to the religious whims of the radical right this time next year if we do not protect the governorship from these zealots.
Keith F Thompson
3:57 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Ironic, that the next article I read on my newsfeed after this one is that Dick Cheney's daughter, Mary, and her longtime partner (a woman!) were married in DC recently. I will pay a large amount of money to see Ovide Lamontagne or any other conservative tell The Cheney's that their family is less than ideal. Maybe you could go on a hunting trip with Vice President Cheney and use all that time to help him see the error of his ways.
How many other conservatives have to come around before bigotry is no longer a conservative value? Just looking for a ballpark figure here.
Sharon Parker-Roberge
6:08 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Every person is entitled to his/her own opinion on what makes the ideal family, and the mistake that many of us make is forgetting that. Lamontagne is welcome to his beliefs--but the mistake that he and many others are making is trying to force his beliefs on everyone else. I believe same-sex couples enjoy the equal rights the US Constitution allows to them and that extends to marriage and having families. The difference between Lamontagne and me is that his beliefs, when forced on others, limit the rights of some. Mine allow the same rights for all. If NH really is the "live free or die" state, even those of you out there who don't like same sex marriage/families/etc. need to remember that the same constitution that allows you to express your beliefs and practice them allows everyone else equal rights, too.
helen burns
8:21 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Well said!
ForThePeople
7:04 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Same old Republican bigot garbage.
Reject bigotry, fear and loathing 2012.
Scott Morales
8:26 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Indeed, reject bigotry, fear and loathing in 2012, vote Romney!
Michael Conley
4:36 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
i'm curious to know how you figure Obama is a bigot or a fear-mongerer. it is easy to see how the Republicans can lay claim to those titles -- Defense of Marriage Act = denying people their right to marry; homeland security, iran rhetoric ramping up the fear factor. How is it that a vote for Romney is a vote against bigotry?
Dennis Acton
12:37 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
I am a member of Standing Up for Families and supported their efforts to stop the repeal of gay marriage. I don't agree with their characterization of Ovide's remarks as "attacking families". Obviously this group has been turned over to the fringe after the successful bipartisan effort last session.
Scott Morales
8:24 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Marriage between a man and woman has been around for what, a millenia? And the lefty comments here are saying that the right and conservatives are "social engineering" and "forcing ... beliefs"? It seems to me that the left, woke up, made up a term called "gay marriage", and proceeded to impose it on the rest of us. Those who resist and don't comply are bigots. Sorry, marriage has been around for centuries, gay marriage, gee, I dont' know, a decade or so. Once again, it's the left that's imposing it's views on the rest of us. I, for one, am not going to be bullied.
R. Scott White
12:08 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
"Marriage between a man and woman has been around for what, a millenia? And the lefty comments here are saying that the right and conservatives are "social engineering" and "forcing ... beliefs?"
Yes, that's exactly what's being said. Glad you understand.
While most people's view of the dark ages has evolved over a "millenia", a vocal NH minority seem to want to remain there. It's a shame Ovide is apparently one of them.
At least, to your credit, you only go back a thousand years. Most try to refer to the Bible.
ForThePeople
12:45 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
There were a lot of bad behaviors that went on for far too long, including slavery, barbaric invasions, organized rape, etc. Your belief system is not everyone else's, and thank goodness for that. Your bigoted beliefs will fade into obscurity, whether you like it or not.
Progress wins.
Mike Healey
1:08 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
"Marriage between a man and woman has been around for what, a millenia?"
And gay people have been around longer.
"made up a term called "gay marriage", and proceeded to impose it on the rest of us"
I think the right made up the term "gay marriage", the rest of us are just calling it "marriage".
Just as it is no longer okay to beat a gay man to death for being gay, so to will it not be alright to discriminate against a gay persons right to the "pursuit of happiness".
No one cares or even wants you to accept it, as long as you no longer have the power to prevent it.
Scott Morales
7:48 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
@R. Scott White
I think you missed the point. If something is already in place, already in tradition, already accepted by the people, then those forcing another system in its stead is the one "forcing beliefs". And those are the left. So if that's what's being said, that's nonsensical.
@FTP
Thanks for supplying the bully example. I knew one of you would do it. But, I did think it would be you. Thanks for not letting me down!
@Mike Healey
The brutality comparison is ridiculous, not even a good straw man. So, enough on that.
The discrimination argument holds no water. Indeed, they want special rights, special treatment and are forcing the rest of us to accommodate them whether we'd like to or not.
Karen Davidson
8:12 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
I think you miss a big point about traditions. Here are a few "traditions" that have changed. Blacks are no longer sent to the back of the bus, they can eat anywhere they want to in a restaurant, and go to schools where they couldn't go to before.
Another tradition, was women could not vote, nor take on some jobs that men do, or even get the same education. One tradition still in place but will change one day is equal pay for equal jobs.
Even religions change tradition, Catholics eat meat on Friday, women don't have to wear a hat into church.
Family traditions change as well. Because family members die, new ones are born, and life changes. From the start of time, we all have been changing.
Unless you want to continue the tradition of living in caves, then you really can't speak to traditions.
Bob Samson
9:49 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Reject the Race Baiting Democrat Party.
Mike Healey
1:10 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Do you think gay people are a different "race"?
Robert Thompson
11:17 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
@Scott Morales, check your facts about marriage. It has not been around for "millenia". The word has it's origin in the 13th century. Those who really care about children and families realize these kind of comments hurt families and their children. Mr. Lamontange told a group of high school children's that marriage equality was not an issue in this race. It appears that it is now. Must be the NOM money that will assist him in his effort to take rights away from hard working, taxpaying families in NH.
The Constitution of the United States protects the rights of all citizens. I have not found an exception clause which spells out who get discriminated against. If you can find it show me some facts. Just like children do better with a mother and father. Show me the facts.
Mike Healey
1:12 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Of course, "Marriage" was originally a property contract between the family selling over their female child to become "property" of the husband. Ah yes... the good old days...
Scott Morales
8:05 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I think you're taking "marriage" too literally. I used it as shorthand, maybe I should have said so, to be the union of male and female observed by the tribe/group/territory etc. Which exposes my next mistake, I should have used "dawn of time" instead of millenia. Oh well.
The Constitution protects the citizen from the government--well before it was a living document, now it's a coin toss. The only discrimination that can occur is based on government handouts and laws pertaining only to marriage that have nothing to do with union of male and female. You asked for facts, I direct you to my position first, for clarity, and then I can argue the points.
http://merrimack.patch.com/blog_posts/ratchet-marriage-down
David Pittelli
5:34 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
"The word [marriage] has it's [sic] origin in the 13th century"
What sort of absurd argument is this? The fact that English is a relatively new language, and that the English word "marriage" did not enter into Middle English, from Latin via Old French, until after the Norman Conquest, has nothing to do with how old marriage is. Marriage is certainly an institution well over 2,000 years old, and probably older than history. You're giving pedantry a bad name.
stephanie micklon
12:27 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Once upon a time---"for millenia" people though and owned slaves. Very good families, with good family values thought it was the way life had always been--infact it was even in the Bible. When some people thought it was wrong to treat other people that way the "Good People" said change would destroy our civilization. Well anytime people try to change what has always be the norm for THEM they have a very hard time with it. People do not like change but thank goodness for those who might not fit in to the so call norm some "good and kind and just people" decided to make things better for ALL of God childrens. My marriage of 44 years is not hurt one little bit by gay marriage and I am glad that in this country our Consitution protects everyone. I am also glad that that the Lord is forgiving of how mean spirited some of his followeres are. I believe he said "what you do to the least of these, you have done unto me". If everyone would follow the "Golden Rule" we could get so much more done for the good of our country and all it's people.
Michael Conley
4:40 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
thank you for these wise words.
B. E. Baines
9:59 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
It sure seems to me that Ovide should be working to enforce his "one man one woman, INTACT marriages for the benefit of the children" belief by abolishing divorce. Heterosexuals have a very bad history.
salemvoter
3:45 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
This is comical. People are offended because he said marriage between a man and a woman. Get a life. Reminds of the joke we always see at Christmas. Oh, sorry if I offended anyone by saying Christmas.
Any way, the joke....
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David Pittelli
5:22 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
"To suggest that single parents, divorced parents or gay parents are inferior and hurt their children's chances to succeed in life is obscene."
As stated above, this is a factual matter and not an ideological one. As far as single parents and divorced parents are concerned: we know that having one parent, or having parents divorce, hurts children's chances to succeed in life. That does not mean we should go around shaming such parents, but a desire to be inclusive should not lead people to stick their heads in the sand. Unlike gay marriage, whose results are not yet knowable, single parenthood, divorced parenthood, and even step-parenthood are well known by social scientists to lead to generally worse results than two-parent families.
helen burns
8:57 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Please enlighten those less-than ideal parents who have raised successful, happy children, who went on to raise successful happy children of their own the exact source of your research.
fanny may
10:59 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
While I agree the safest emotional place for a child is in an intact, traditional family: people do not always adhere to that standard. Statistics show that girls of divorced parents are 2X more likely to suffer from depression and experience teenage pregnancy; that said, I happen to know and love many friends from all types of backgrounds, traditional, divorced, nice town, projects, single mom, gay parents...and the list goes on. What we need to do as a society is accept these innocent children for the wonderful possibilities they may be and stop judging their parents for the choices they have made...the two are separate...
Josh Graciano
11:24 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Ovide Lamontagne is a right wing ideologue who isn't conservative so much as retrograde, in bed with anyone with deep pockets. But if he wants to campaign on his ideology then damn it he can. I think he'd be a horrible governor that would make us yearn for the stability and clear headed reasoning of Craig Bensen, but I want him to be hoist by his own petard. The more he talks, the more we know about him.
David Pittelli
8:37 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Josh, is he an "ideologue," or is he "in bed with anyone with deep pockets"? They're not really compatible charges.
Josh Graciano
9:36 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
That's true, but since I don't the names of the contributors to the no name and pleasant-sounding but vitriolic PACS that fund every major candidate, I went broad. I am under no illusion that (most) candidates in any party don't have their strings pulled, I just wanted to shatter anyone else's notion the Ovide was a man of the people.
helen burns
8:45 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
RE: quote by Lamontagne: "the best chance a child has to succeed in life..........."
The best chance a child has to succeed in life is for them to grow up in a loving, caring family - it is up to each of us to define what "family" means. The biggest threat to a child's future is growing up in a family that supports domestic abuse, both physical and emotional. Life is challenging enough without having to withstand the criticism of those FEW who do not agree with the personal choices others have made. The energy wasted on judging how others make their way through life could be better used within the walls of their own homes.