Look on the bright side--you'll have a valid ID to use at any First Lady Book Signings you wish to attend

We have one law on the books to prevent voter fraud and the democrats say ..its enough. we have 20 thousand gun laws on the books and the democrats are trying to pass more every day, more hypocrisy from the left. Every time an illegal vote is cast it impedes my civil right to a fair and honest election.

Of the many freedoms humans enjoy, it's a logical fallacy to say "If you don't agree with me or my ideas, you don't deserve to ___."

People use the same phrase about literally every topic under the sun. Listen up, you don't get to decide who's deserving. It's a right given to the people, fought for by the people (did they all have ID?), and no political gymnastics are going to make this anything other than what it is: disenfranchisement.

@FTP, so, ah, there is a right to bear arms too...... Does that mean "no one" gets to decide who gets a fire arm?

Sounds like you are advocating the reduction of gun control "Of the many freedoms humans enjoy, it's a logical fallacy to say "If you don't agree with me or my ideas, you don't deserve to ___.""

I'm telling ya FTP you and I are closer to the same page every day. :)

@ eric

What "fraudulent vote"? There has been no real voter fraud to speak of. Election fraud happens though. I assume you're outraged as an American that these citizens (including 2 WWII vets) are having their voting rights stripped: http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/hispanics-democrats-biggest-groups-on-floridas-list-of-potential/1229860

The whole thing is rotten. Lower voter turnout always benefits the GOP. These voter ID bills are a scam. Some people DON'T have the necessary ID. Not a huge percentage of the population, granted, but some. This is just one piece of the plan. No fair minded person can argue that the acceptable IDs should be supplied to every single eligible voter FIRST, and THEN implement the requirements. And all the while the GOP is pushing this foolishness they're doing nothing to address unemployment, which is all they ever squawk about.

If it's one thing you can count on, it's Republicans failing at logical equivalencies. Voting in the next president of the United States is not the same as the right to bear arms. I also should encourage you to add the following words whenever you say, "I have a right…"

Instead, "I have a right and a responsibility..." People always forget that second part.

for the sheeple you have made our case , we the people have a right to vote and the govt has the responsibility of making sure all elections are free of fraud, if only on illegal voter casts a vote ,it is one to many, what part of this cant you and the rest of the loony left understand ? The only people who dont want voter ID are the ones who are committing voter fraud

Why are you so afraid to share your identity Jim? Is it because of all the stupid things you say?

@ Joel

Are you capable of simply making a post without calling anybody a name? Grow up.

And as far as our president being an "idiot", I'd confidently bet the farm he's smarter than you. He graduated magna cum laude from what is arguably the finest school in the nation. President of the Harvard Law Review. Professor of constitutional law. Yeah, what a dummy. Take issue with his policies if you want, but calling him an idiot is, well, idiotic.

Btw - The First Lady is no dope, either. Hate her if you want. You have your own reasons for that.

how do we know the fraud obama graduated magna cum laude ? he has never released his college records or any records for that matter He has posted a fraudulent BC on a govt web site (a felony) and his selective service registration has been proven to be forged and he has a stolen SS # from someone in Connecticut ,how can any one believe the rest of this frauds '' story ''

Wouldn't every illegal vote cancel out another illegal vote for the other candidate?
It kinda solves itself.

Mike, congratulations !!!! you have won the dumbest post of the day award. Why are you lefty's so afraid of voter ID laws ?

Mark , your post on critical thinking is vacant of any facts one way or another on voter ID and voter fraud.

Steve, there is no proof that voter ID will suppress voter turnout of any one group of people. In fact polls show the majority of Americans support voter ID, this is another manufactured talking point by the left wing because with out the illegal vote they will lose more elections. This is why the left continually demonises the Tea Party ,your scared of what they represent smaller government and the constitution, both of which the left hate . By your way of lefty thinking, if a criminal commits a crime and if the crime is one that is not committed that often we should just let it go, forget about it , its no big deal right, I mean its just a little crime. As a LEGAL voter, I have a RIGHT to a fair and honest election you impede my right to this by bocking voter ID and insuring illegals can cast votes. It dont matter which party is doing it ...its illegal. DAAS

What percentage of voter fraud is perpetrated by each party? 50%?
When are these "tax payer groups" going to lets the rest of us see all this "evidence" they have collected?

Any percentage is not acceptable one illegal vote is one to many. The evidence is there Mike, your good at coming up with facts, do some investigative home work.

Steve, there is no proof that voter ID will suppress voter turnout of any one group of people. In fact polls show the majority of Americans support voter ID, this is another manufactured talking point by the left wing because with out the illegal vote they will lose more elections. This is why the left continually demonises the Tea Party ,your scared of what they represent smaller government and the constitution, both of which the left hate . By your way of lefty thinking, if a criminal commits a crime and if the crime is one that is not committed that often we should just let it go, forget about it , its no big deal right, I mean its just a little crime. As a LEGAL voter, I have a RIGHT to a fair and honest election you impede my right to this by bocking voter ID and insuring illegals can cast votes. It dont matter which party is doing it ...its illegal. DAAS

Jim - did you ever hear of fake IDs?

Wouldn't these alleged illegal votes just cancel each other out?

yes Jan I have heard of fake IDs , in fact every democrat I know has one ...or two

Poor Jim...
So overwhelmed with reality.
I can see why you hide your identity, suffering from such limited capacity.

mike you dont strike me as being all that bright yourself with statements like ''wont each illegal vote from each party cancel the other out so the problem takes care of itself ''

Democrats only see fear. If it doesn't exist they then create in their own minds. Otherwise they think nobody would listen to them. Not that anybody should listen to them in the first place. Basically it is a matter of growing up.

Well yeah, because a voter ID bill suppresses the votes of those that would vote for democrats. O'Brien is on record as saying he doesn't want college students voting, because they are too liberal. I mean come on - this is an obvious attempt to make it harder for people that lean to the left to vote. What are we, stupid? The number of fraudulent votes is minimal. The Republicans keep trying to track down fraudulent votes, they never find any (well, 2).
On the other hand, aren't there a couple of NH Republican hacks in jail right now for jamming the phone banks of the NHDP a few years ago to suppress their Get Out The Vote operation?
The Republicans are incredibly hypocritical - especially ones like the Tea-Party controlled NH House. They are true patriots, according to them, the real Americans, upholders of the Constitution and all that is good about America and Americans. Until an American disagrees with them. Then, watch your rights go down the toilet.
"Liberty and Justice for all That Agree with Me, everyone else sit down and shut up".

Steve,

I suspect you were joking when you were asking, "What are we, stupid?"

Actually, now that you mention it...
http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html

@FTP, there ya go trot forward "fact" from anything you read without even knowing the author, although typical from you FTP this is so out there it is funny. This author actually believes in "gaydar"; I mean come on. The author's qulifications to write such articles?
"massage therapist, interfaith minister, belly dance teacher, aspiring web designer and ESL teacher. Part of the year Stephanie lives in Tulum, Mexico where she writes books, tends to her tropical garden, plays with her 8 cats, and teaches and writes. Stephanie is available to lead workshops and trainings."

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/05/17/study-gaydar-may-actually-exist-aided-by-facial-cues/

http://www.yogapostureadjustments.com/about.html

Please try to bring credibility to your argument.

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/01/04/0956797611421206.abstract

She is a reporter reporting on somebody else's study, which I provided. I don't really care if you disagree with scientific discussions. I'm disappointed that you don't know how to click a link and access a study. I'm guessing you won't be able to read it either.

But oh well, since you requested it.

for the sheeple, there you go again pushing your junk science. Have you ever noticed that you never see these ''scientific studies'' done that bash progressives ? Do you know why ? Well ,Its because conservative scientists are getting grants and are busy doing research to try to cure Aids and cancer and other diseases that inflict mankind ,while the progressive scientists are getting grant money and doing junk science research to prove conservatives are racists and have low IQs and hate gays ..... .... you really need to grow up kid .

Conservatives who don't like science? Wow there's a shocker.

Listen up Jim. The world has continually rejected willful ignorance. There will always be people like you dragging everyone else down with them, but there will also be people like me trying to move the world forward. You can't keep the world flat forever.

for the sheeple, are you stupid or just off your meds ? where in my reply did I state I didn't like or believe in science ..nowhere. What I said was you continually push junk science, you know ,crap that's made up by nitwits like yourself. So you listen up son , you couldn't move yourself forward, never mind the world ,now go back to reading the national enquirer and leave this discussion to the adults

You can't pick and choose everything that you do like as science and everything that you don't as junk. Science isn't so fickle as to be subject to your whim. And the science here appears to be validated on patch. :-)

for the sheeple junk science is junk science no matter how you spin it , in the last ''scientific research'' you posted it noted right in the article not to take their finding seriously and in this article it said the same thing , that there are so many variables that the finding are not conclusive, so dont push you BS research on me or the others. Its tabloid reading nothing more, made to make inferior people like yourself feel better knowing that somewhere in this big wide world there is someone just a little dumber than yourself.

Strangely enough, the one case of voter fraud that has made the local news in the past few months was the case of O'Brien's son (who is a Republican). As you'll recall, O'Brien's son was registered to vote in one state while running as a candidate in another.

I guess that's how Republicans can be so sure there's voter fraud going on: it's happening in the Speaker's *OWN* house!

Explain to me why you aren't demanding every citizen receive voter ID before instituting strict ID laws...

Come on Jim... explain why.

@Jan the same reason the Dems aren't demanding we secure the boarder before granting amnesty to criminals. The hypocrisy of your argument in comical. But to entertain you, how about this go get one now, you have got plenty of time before the elections. Every law abiding citizen has access to government photo ID right now, you need ID to register in the first place, so why the problem coughing it up when it comes time to vote? (Makes it tough for dead people to vote? tougher for people to vote twice?) I just like every other legal citizen has a right to a vote and have that vote counted, the prospect that someone can easily dilute my right to vote by gaming the system is absolutely unacceptable. It is offensive that you or any other wayward soul would look to mitigate a legitimate vote by even allowing the prospect of an illegitimate vote to enter into the system. No Jan why don't you tell me why NH is one of only 19 out of 50 sates that has zero voter identification law? That is a minority among states and according to polling a majority of NH citizens want some sort of identification to vote. If Lynch vetoes this it is a shameful day of partisan politics; shameful indeed.

@JIM, signed; and since it did not require ID I signed for Jan Schmidt too. :)

you know Jan we need an ID to do most every thing today, go to register your dog you need an ID, your argument is absurd, its just another far left squawking point lets see, we got the
war on women
the war on blacks
war on Latinos
war on gays
war on the poor
war on the rich
war on the middle class
war on illegals ....and NOW ........ DRUM ROLL TATATATATATAATTAT
THE WAR ON DISENFRANCHISED VOTERS !!!!!!!!!
you people are whacked

Seriously Jim... when every citizen has proof, asking for it at the polls is a good thing. I agree with the ID - but not until EVERYONE has it.

So... why don't you stand up for those who don't have an ID?

Jan, the nanny state mentality has to stop somewhere , left to the democrats we would never have to be responsible for ourselves,I mean come on, do you think I want to see legal voters turned away at the polls, no, I dont. But if a law is passed and people have 5-6 months to make sure they have an ID to vote,come election day, whose fault is it if they haven't made an effort to procure one ? Is it my fault because I was in favor of voter ID ,NO ,its their fault for not being responsible enough to get one. We will all have to make sure those we know in our circle of family and friends know about the new law and possibly even help them in obtaining an ID by giving them rides or what ever to get an ID. but I cant be responsible for the entire state, if a person doesn't have a drivers licence and needs to find a ride to the polls to vote, if they can ask for a ride to the polls they can ask for a ride to get an ID. Plain and simple it comes down to personal responsibility.

No, providing Voter ID before being required to show it is hardly wrong, it just doesn't fit the "deny the outliers" we're seeing from the new-Republican leaders.

If you're honest about the need for ID, then it must be provided at no cost to meet the right we are granted to vote in the 14 Amendment.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Actually, he put in a stopgap measure to protect children who were brought here. For example, if you're a Mexican child who was brought here, and you "study in our schools, play in our neighborhoods, befriend our kids, pledge allegiance to our flag (quote from Obama)", and possibly serve in our military… you can stay.

It's not right that people can die for our country but not be allowed to live here. It's not right that grown immigrant children have to live in fear and poverty because they're worried someone might tell on them. They live American, and I'm more than happy they will be allowed to stay.

It's about doing the right thing.

And don't feel bad. I'm not getting my way, either. Personally, I would love to deport all the conservative bigots to Iran, where they can be shown the same treatment by mullahs that they show to the American people.

obama is flailing like a fish out of water, this amnesty deal has been turned down by the majority of American voters time and time again. obama sees his numbers slipping in the polls and any chance of a second term to finish destroying our economy goes with them, so he will do what ever it takes ,the gay marriage sham was to get the gay vote and the amnesty sham is to get the legal and illegal Latino vote ,its all about getting reelected nothing more ,the only job obama is worried about is his , if you think this is BS ,your clearly not thinking........ the fraud obama is toast in Nov

for the sheeple you can spin it any way you want but it comes down to the dictator obam selling out the American unemployed or employed workers for votes. This amnesty has been REJECTED by the American voter every time its brought up butt king obama makes the laws now ,the serfs and congress have no say in the matter anymore

for the sheeple ,there is no need to deport all the conservatives, there's a lot less of you communists why dont you all just move to Russia or Cuba ? problem solved !!! and please take comrade lil joe and dave with you