Some NH Tea Party Members Still Not Sold On Romney
Some prominent NH Tea Party members see him as the man to beat Obama, but others say he falls short.
Mitt Romney will need to watch his step around a particular political group, because they seem to hate being tread on.
The Tea Party movement has a message that has been made loud and clear the past few years: fiscal responsibility, personal liberty and constitutional rights. They claim not to blindly follow either party, which means Romney will need to be more than just a Republican or “Not-Obama.”
Some think he can do it, others are not so sure.
“Has Romney won me over? No is the answer,” said Jerry DeLemus, former chairman of the Granite State Patriots Liberty PAC and the founder of the Rochester 9-12 Project.
New Hampshire has been known to have many liberty-minded citizens, and in that spirit, DeLemus has taken the liberty of withholding his vote for Romney.
Why? Because he claims Romney has been ignoring Tea Party-affiliated liberty groups in the state, such as his, and has not been making an effort to really show where he stands on their issues.
He said that he has gone to great lengths to reach out to Romney in order to get him to talk to Tea Partiers beyond political talking points and sound bites. He may be afraid to be put on the spot and face the hard questions, said DeLemus.
Communication may be the key to gaining favor from this skeptical group of political activists.
“What he needs to do is convince us he is concerned about our opinions and open a dialogue with us,” he added. “We need to know his plans. The liberty groups in the country are not going to jump on the Romney train unless he earns their vote.”
Other Tea Party-affiliated activists disagree and say they have seen Romney reaching out to their ranks.
“Every time I have reached out to the Romney organization or campaign, they have responded,” said Corey Lewandowski, executive director of the Americans For Prosperity New Hampshire. “I have even had a one-on-one with Romney himself.”
So, it seems that Romney is reaching out to some Tea Party groups, but may be leaving others out.
Lewandowski added that Romney’s business background is good for the Tea Party movement, who believe in a free market and fiscal responsibility. He, like many Republicans, just want to see President Barack Obama out of office.
Republican Liberty Caucus of New Hampshire chairwoman Carolyn McKinney said that she is in the same boat as other Tea Party activists in the state when she says her vote goes to “Anybody-But-Obama.”
“I think that President Obama just needs to be replaced, and if Mitt Romney is the Republican nominee, I think he is in the best position to replace Obama,” she said. “He’ll get my vote because he is better than Obama.”
She added that Tea Party voters are looking for a candidate to take a “bold stand” for the U.S. Constitution.
Granite State Patriots Liberty PAC chair Jack Kimball agrees the New Hampshire Tea Party, which he said is alive and well, needs to stand behind Romney. He said that he had always intended to back the Republican nominee because having Obama in office again would be “unacceptable.
“I know people who are hesitating,” said Kimball, “but at the end of the day, what are the alternatives?”
But Romney may not be able to rely on the “Anybody-But-Obama” vote.
Many Tea Partiers flock to libertarian-leaning Republican Ron Paul and his long-held beliefs of personal freedom and revamping our financial system. Many of these Tea Party/Paul supporters don’t see much of a difference between Romney and Obama; and that is a big problem for Romney.
Jane Aitken is the spokeswoman for the NH Tea Party Coalition, which is made up of 51 separate activist groups. A Ron Paul supporter, she said that Romney has been “forced” onto Republican voters by the GOP establishment. On top of that, both candidates are being controlled by special interests in everything from the economy to foreign policies.
“There is not going to be much change with Romney, so we might as well let Obama win,” said Aitken. “We can agree that Obama is terrible, but they will make excuses for Romney because he has an ‘R’ next to his name.”
She clarified that she does not want to see Republicans lose, but believes the same powerful forces are behind both candidates.
Aitken sees Romney’s business background as a weakness in appealing to Tea Party voters. A combination of his “crony capitalism” and acceptance of bailouts conflicts with their principles, she said.
She added that Romney has avoided many Tea Party groups when he visits New Hampshire.
This anti-Romney view is not shared among all of those who identify with the group, including Mike Malzone, founder of the Merrimack, NH Tea Party. Malzone said he completely supports Romney and believes that some Tea Party members should end their obsession with Ron Paul.
“Ron Paul gave up being a doctor to be a career politician,” he said. “He hasn’t done much over the past 30 years, and we cannot be pulling in a third candidate now.”
Jennifer Horn, founder of We the People: A First in the Nation Freedom Forum, has fully backed Romney and believes that many other Tea Party voters and activists are doing the same. His core message of economic growth and cutting the size of government falls right in line with their beliefs.
“He is clearly the one who is going to lead us back to the founding principles of country,” said Horn.
She said that New Hampshire’s Tea Party movement has no defined leadership, and is comprised of dozens of different groups and voters across the state. Many of the “leaders” in the state who feel that the Tea Party is not behind Romney do not represent the whole movement, she added.
Horn did have some sound advice for Romney, saying he should stay on message and keep his campaign promises.
Because, as recent election cycles have proven: Hell hath no fury like a political activist scorned.
Jan Schmidt
8:08 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
If the Tea Party is really what is billed as - they wouldn't touch Romeny.
He would continue the corporate welfare that is burying the US in debt. He would continue the unfair tax system that gives breaks like for $77,000 for his wife to have a horse because she has MS. Really? Is this something you feel is part of a fair tax system?
It all politics, I understand - Romeny poured money into NH politics in 2010 and help to shape the disaster we're in now... take a look around - getting rid of lunch hours because they trust businesses? All businesses??? Defunding programs that save lives, make better communities, feed isolated elderly?
I don't think anyone who really believes that we're tax enough already wants their taxes to go to cover the wealthy or the corporations when we have neighbors who need a hand.
salemvoter
8:31 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
And it is President Obama who took 500 Billion out of Medicare. And its President Obama who is ending the Medicare Advantage program. Don't be fooled by the administration saying they will not end the Advantage program. They simply "borrowed" some monies from another program to keep Advantage going until after the election in November.
Jane Aitken
9:43 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
Most of us who are educated on the facts did not. And I am surprised, despite all the 'education' we dispensed, that anyone would call someone who is the ANTITHESIS of a "career politician", a career politician.
That said, the tea party is really about education (which some clearly never benefitted from) more than it is about candidates as we do not endorse.
Also people who are hired by a campaign or are otherwise paid by a candidate, are not allowed to speak for the 'tea party' and should not have been included in this article.
Russ Watts
11:49 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
For salemvoter
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-gop-debate-500-billion-in-cuts-to-medicare/2011/06/14/AGsnGAVH_blog.html
dee50
12:23 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@salemvoter
During the Bush years, Congress passed a law allowing private insurance companies to participate in Medicare. But the private insurance companies couldn't make enough money with just the regular Medicare payments, so Congress added some $500 billion dollars to Medicare to pay for Medicare advantage - the version of Medicare run by private insurance companies, The extra money enabled the private insurance companies to make a nice profit and offer extras that Medicare didn't offer to lure customers in. The $500 billion removed from Medicare has no effect on Medicare as such. It just means that the private insurance companies will not get extra money for Medicare patients. Presumably all of the private companies will drop out of Medicare and we will just have the Medicare that most Medicare patients currently have. There are no cuts to Medicare - just cuts to private insurance companies.
Shripathi Kamath
12:47 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
If the Tea Party is really what it is billed as, they will vote for Romney.
Shripathi Kamath
12:48 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
"And it is President Obama who took 500 Billion out of Medicare."
Yet another example of "education by Tea Party". Not to mention, wrong.
Lauren H
12:58 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Trouble is they don't want to give their neighbors a hand either. Many Tea Party Libertarians believe in self-sufficiency or die...or maybe that's just the Paul Ryan's Ayn Rand budget supporters.
From what I can tell, Tea Partiers talk in grand terms about these seemingly harmless ideals but fail to follow them through to their destructive results and further choose to remain unaware of the dirty details. For example, they want lower taxes, more freedom, ok, but in the hands of Paul Ryan that become more tax breaks for the wealthy and cutting the only care and security disabled (through no fault of their own) citizens have.
I'm sure most Tea Partiers are good and decent people who don't believe in harming the disabled, but that's exacly what their policy would end up doing.
Barbara
12:59 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Just wanted to point out that Ann Romney writes off her horse feed as a business expense rather than a medical expense.
Either way, wouldn't it be nice if we could all write all of our expenses off?
salemvoter
1:16 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Dee,
The President also said "With the passage of Affordable Health Care, if you like your current health insurance plan you can keep it". Meanwhile, Affordable Health Care act is ending Medicare advantage.
Oh, I also forgot one other thing. Regarding Social Security, on Aug 4, 2011, the President said "if the debt ceiling is not passed them people may not get their Social Security checks". Harry Reid said the same thing later in the day.
dee50
2:47 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Lauren, Your comments are Spot on!
masha
5:50 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Where did you see Ann Romney's tax break for her horse? I am not being argumentative. I really want to know
David Pittelli
11:08 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
The Romneys' declared $77,000 loss only led to a $50 deduction from their taxable income. If, and only if, the horse makes money in future years, the Romneys can deduct the $77,000 loss from those future profits.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/06/19/clarifying_the_record_on_mitt_romney_s_77_000_losses_olympic_horse_rafalca.html
Patriot
4:12 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
DID I JUST READ A COMMENT about a horse as a tax write off from @Barbara?
You can't make this stuff up fast enough!!!!
Just so everyone knows, we don't have many choices left! Looks pretty clear it will be Obama/ Romney
CMZE
9:00 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
The special interest group that everyone needs to be aware of is 'THE BILDERBERG GROUP'. This is a group of people that has been deviously manlipating the US elections, World Economy, and the largest stronghold is the FEDERAL RESERVE. The biggest problem that the American people have is that the majority have fallen asleep. It is not republican and/or democrats, it's THE BILDERBERG GROUP. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
DANIELAPELAEZ
5:05 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Well, well, americans are waking up.... CMZE - Theyre meeting this weekend in Utah in an exclusive retreat with THIER candidate or should I say, their puppet, Mitt Romney. iTS ALMOST A SECT - A CULT RITUAL. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Jane Aitken
9:35 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
Jack knows that NHTPC cannot "get behind" anyone because they do not endorse even though 30 of the leaders did formally personally endorse Ron Paul, the father of the tea party. That fact alone speaks volumes.
Some groups came on board 2 years after and do not touch on the primary issues that the tea party was first formed over in 2007.
About 25-30 NHTPC leaders have endorsed Ron Paul, who, if you were a student of this subject would know all his accomplishments. He doesn't consistently get 10,000 people at rallies for nothing. So I am surprised anyone would claim he has't accomplished anything. He has in fact accomplished the biggest awaking of freedom since 1776. Career politicians take Congressional pensions, Ron Paul does not. He's been there trying to right the ship while other Republicans were busy helping the Democrats overturn it. We didn't send him there to pass laws, but to repeal them.
Also I am surprised that no mention was made of the abysmal behavior of Romney supporters. They have proven to have 'no class' in the 11 caucuses they lost to Ron Paul, including Massachusetts, Romney's home state.
As for money, I will merely agree that it did 'flow' but those who may have been the beneficiaries have no right to speak to any tea party sentiments.
If Americans are ever to get the US back on track, they have to stop nominating candidates who come from the same handlers and advisors as the enemy. Otherwise they are going to get the same results.
Gary G. Krupp
9:48 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
Well put Jane.
I think the article was a fair representation of the spectrum of people who identify themselves as Tea Party. Like you, I would credit Ron Paul with standing for Tea Party values of liberty, limited Government, and strict interpretations of Constitutional authority before it became fashionable.
PartyPooper
11:57 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
Jane, the "father" of the Tea Party is corporate america and more specifically the Koch brothers. I find it beyond amusing that the only ones who seem to not realize this are the tools that make up the very same party. Rock on and keep shooting yourself in the foot because it is funny watching you try to dance.
CwV
2:27 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
"Career politicians take Congressional pensions, Ron Paul does not" No? He's on Social Security even though he's not retired.
" I am surprised anyone would claim he has't accomplished anything"
"Of the 620 measures that Paul has sponsored, just four have made it to a vote on the House floor. Only that one has been signed into law.
House colleagues say the genial Paul has often shown little interest in the laborious one-on-one lobbying required to build a coalition behind his ideas. This year, for instance, Paul has sponsored 47 bills, including measures to withdraw from the United Nations, repeal the federal law banning guns in school zones and let private groups coin their own money.
None has moved, and 32 have failed to attract a single co-sponsor."
( http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ron-pauls-house-record-stands-out-for-its-futility-and-tenacity/2011/12/23/gIQA5ioVJP_story.html )
He's got a .2% batting average, 2 out of one thousand.
So he's a joke as a legislator, he doesn't do the work that his constituents sent him to DC to do, it's too much trouble.
But what I find really exciting about his campaign this year is the strategy that he's devised to demolish the Republican party, start an internal war that will rip the party apart going into the fall election cycle.
By getting his followers to become delegates, he's setting up to hijack the GOP convention. Watch what happens then!
Gary G. Krupp
8:34 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Thankfully batting averages aren't important when it comes to right and wrong. Ron Paul may just turn out to be the Thomas Paine of our time by continually and consistently articulating the principles of liberty our country was founded upon. Ron Paul has stood (many times alone) for policies and legislation that are consistent with our Constitution and for the repeal of legislation that violates the Constitution. While that may be unpopular in the modern-day Congress, he is awakening a whole new generation that get it and they will become delegates, seek and obtain office, hold positions of authority, and eventually move the nation back from the brink of destruction by restraining the power and reach of the Federal Government.
Jane Aitken
10:05 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
A lot of hijackers came on board in 2009 who thought the tea party was there to merely oppose Obamacare and support ANY person with an R after his or her name. The tea party was formed in 2007 to be the force for good in examining ALL that is wrong with our government even IF it includes calling out people who refer to themselves as 'conservatives' but do not hold up to that standard.
Shripathi Kamath
12:52 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
No, that was the commercial. The Tea Party was formed to channel the rage of socially conservative Republicans furious at the sight of a Civil War era minority candidate. Debt? Had been going through the roof since Reagan (and for the brief moment its rise was arrested? Well, Monica Lewinsky). Then there is gay marriage, and more womb control, and "no welfare", except when it is for defense cuts, or oil subsidies.
Look. Rand Paul endorsed Romney, and his own dad's body is still warm.
Patrice Ferguson
4:17 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
I would love to know what (concervative) is in the Mind of the GOP. I mean Big laws governing womens health? Big Government in terms of Criminal justice? Immigration? Education? I.E teaching to a test with the end result means massive fund cuts for underperforming schools and ever higher drop out rates? Sounds like the GOP is for Fiscal reclousness in outsourcing it's responsibilty onto corporations and private sector vultures over seas while costing the American Tax payer Billions more for the bill. 500 Billion more in the case of private insurance Medicare. How is that a savings? Both parties are selling America right out from under you and the most anyone does is play gang politics. red vs blue. And the Corporations are the Maffia in the middle reaping a nice pay day along the way. I am sick of both of them. The Tea Party is not for the constitution its for Wall Street. A patriot for the aristocrats. Three chears for the head master Koch.
Kevin Kervick
10:12 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
I am quite concerned about a moral philosophy that justifies paying people in exchange for an endorsement, especially if such payment is not publicly disclosed.
Mike black
10:40 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
Big deal. Half of obama's party don't support him.
The Shill
12:12 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
That's because hs is too conservative.
Tammy
4:33 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
The former liberal and progressive repubs will vote for him, as will many independents.
Atlant Schmidt
6:35 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Whether, in a vacuum, we would supoport Barack Obama or not is immaterial; we're not operating in a vacuum. And against Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, the Koch Brothers, Newt Gingrich, Roger Ailes, Grover Norquist, John Bainer, and a host of other very evil people, we on the Left are very happily united to support President Obama.
diogeron
11:21 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
I'm not sure where "salemvoter" got his/her information re: Medicare Advantage, but the non-partisan fact check group Politifact has labled that claim by Romney "Pants on Fire." See here http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/22/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obama-ending-medicare-we-k/
salemvoter
12:06 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of HHS, the department responsible for implementing Obamacare testified before the House Energy and Commerce and Health Subcommittee on March 3, 2011. She testified before Congress that 500B was being trimmed from Medicare to pay for Obamacare.
The Shill
12:16 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
First of all it is really Romneycare. The republicans complain but they got everythig they wanted when this was passed this is the GOP healthcare pland this is not what the Democrat's wanted they bowed to Republican preasure to get this passed.
salemvoter
8:41 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
It doesn't matter whether its RomneyCare or ObamaCare. This administration has testified before Congress that they are taking 500B out of Medicare to pay for the "Affordable Health Care Act".
Jane Aitken
11:25 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
Medicare, Social Security all going bankrupt because of a flawed system and untrustworthy government. Time to replace those programs with private means of providing retirement and health security for all. The government has proven it's not up to the job. It doesn't matter who promises what if the programs are mismanaged and going bankrupt. It's all time wasting rhetoric.
The Shill
12:17 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
If we had gone to a private system no one would be able to retire the crash wiped out most peoples retirement accounts.
dee50
12:30 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane you say,
"Time to replace those programs with private means of providing retirement and health security for all"
So, tell us what is the plan that you and your TP follower have?
salemvoter
1:22 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
How about this plan. You currently contribute 4.3% per pay period to "your" Sociall Security account. Your employee matches this amount. Lets say you could put it in a FDIC insured bank savings account, in your own name, with a law, like we have for IRA or 401k that you cannot take the money out until retirement age, unless there was some hardship. If you die before you reach retirement the money passes to your heirs. The key to this plan is the money is in an FDIC insured bank account, in your name.
deleted account
11:38 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Social Security was made in large part because they saw the a boom generation after WWII and were concerned about poverty levels. Social Security is solvent until at least 2025 and the only reason people can say that it's "bankrupt" is because politicians have long believed that Social Security taxes are part of general revenue, which is wrong. Remember when Al Gore was campaigning for president and he was talking about how we should keep that money in a "lock box?" He was talking about how politicians shouldn't just borrow from the Social Security Trust fund to close gaps in other areas (like defense). It should be seen as separate from general revenue because it was taxed separately. There's nothing wrong with SS, it's been doing the job it has been intended for, to act as an insurance policy against poverty in retirement. So if you think the government has mismanaged SS and programs like it, then you should have voted for Al Gore.
Jane, you should stop watching Fox News. They have given you the wrong information.
James R. Ruston
11:53 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
I would really like to hear DeLemus and you other Tea Party types define what you mean by liberty in real, concrete terms rather than just throwing it out to explain your support or distaste of one candidate or another. My impression is that your mommie gave you everything your little heart desired when you were children and you just can't understand why society doesn't let you do whatever your little heart desires now. For instance, why don't you offer one real, concrete "liberty" that Obama has personally taken away from you.
deleted account
11:43 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
I know what they mean by it.
They mean perfect freedom for corporations to rob, rape and plunder from you and the environment, while giving government the freedom and liberty to monitor what goes on in your bedroom and regulate the womb of every woman.
Jane Aitken
12:16 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Apparently you have not yet been the victim of increased taxes, health care rationing, or didn't hear how Obama's czars think we need ID to post on social media, or that we can be fined for promoting theories they don't approve of? Or how they plan to make voting mandatory? Or any other of their crazy ideas? Just wait...
dee50
12:41 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Are you really serious about your comments.....Really, how much Fox news do you watch!
You say a victim of "victim of increased taxes" but, but did you know:
Bruce Bartlett held senior policy roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations and served on the staffs of Representatives Jack Kemp and Ron Paul.
"It's very hard to understand where the impression has come about that we currently have high taxes, or that our taxes are high in relation to those of other rich countries,"
Federal Tax Rate At Lowest Level In Over 60 Years, Bartlett Says
By William Alden on May 31st, 2011
http://www.vxec.com/2011/05/federal-tax-rate-at-lowest-level-in-over-60-years-bartlett-says/
dee50
12:45 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Here is the correct link......
Federal Tax Rate At Lowest Level In Over 60 Years, Bartlett Says
By William Alden on May 31st, 2011
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/regulation-and-unemployment/?scp=5&sq=Bruce%20Bartlett&st=cse
ps90
12:50 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Who had thier taxes raised? Wasn't tax cuts to the middle class part of the stimulus? If you had any clue about managed care (HMO'S), we already have rationed healthcare.
Jane Aitken
12:53 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50 If you must know the truth, I don't watch ANY "FOX" news at all. I watch TV for fun.. you know, like My Cat from Hell and Dog Whisperer? Your implication is that I don't think on my own, which is condescending. Some of you on both sides make the mistake of thinking inside the 'partisan' box. It is not either/or, it's right vs wrong.
James R. Ruston
1:09 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Increased taxes? Nope
Health care rationing? You mean by the insurance companies?
ID for social media? Are you required to utilize social media?
Fined? Example please.
Sorry, you flunk
dee50
12:17 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
The tea party is not a party, its a corporate sponsored Astroturf group of low information, easily incitable right wingers throwing temper tantrums who are about as misinformed, misled, uninformed a group of people there has ever been. And to think they are being led around by bottom feeder republicans and ex-lobbyists by the nose and they aren’t even smart enough to realize it. If the tea party was a real movement it would have started while bush and the republicans were in office, if they were real where are they on the Supreme Courts Citizens United decision? Just a gaggle of liars and hypocrites that don’t truly care about the constitution or what’s best for the nation.
The Shill
12:19 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Liberty is the freedom to think as Fox news tells you to because they are fair and ballanced.
Jane Aitken
12:41 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Most people in the tea party recognize FOX News as being part of the problem and the controlled opposition so your stereotype does not hold.
dee50
1:15 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane you say:
"Most people in the tea party recognize FOX News as being part of the problem and the controlled opposition so your stereotype does not hold."
Now you maybe one of the few exceptions, but your above statement is just not true.
Jane Aitken
12:22 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@PartyPooper: The 'father' of the teaparty was Ron Paul, as his supporters held the first one on Dec 16, 2007. No one ever heard of the KOCH Brothers who may fund various conservative groups but not this one. In fact, NHTPC gets no funding from anyone.
Please do your homework before you make such accusations. It was all over the news, perhaps you missed it? If you did here are the videos and posters from the first tea party.
It may not fit your MSM narrative, but then again, the truth rarely does.
http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/BostonTeaParty07.jpg
http://youtu.be/6bNiDx7qTjA
deleted account
11:57 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
That's true, the father of the tea party was Ron Paul. But Barry Goldwater was the real godfather of the Libertarian movement. What these people are trying to say, is that the Koch brothers co-opted the tparty movement and bought off all of those self proclaimed "patriots."
And they would be right.
I noticed that you don't respond to the crux of our arguments, that you just pick little tiny snippets about fox news and claim that you don't watch it. Well that's fine and dandy, but you still have yet to address our arguments. I would argue it is because you are not in a position to do so. Because you don't really know anything, and maybe would could cite your 16 hour work days as the reason for it. The fact remains, you don't know anything. So stop posting the fox news point of view lies. We all see them on their show, day after day, and you are spouting them here. So all of their talking points but you still don't watch fox news??? You're lying just as much as fox news now. Just move on and admit that you don't, or can't, understand any of the things you are talking about.
Jane Aitken
12:24 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
You can also see from the poster that the lynchpin ISSUE of the tea party was the FEDERAL RESERVE. This goes across party lines.
All things fiscal come under that category as well.
The other two main issues are Foreign Policy, and Freedom.
Tells us please, Romney supporters, how these three things would change with a Romney presidency since he feels the Fed is doing a good job, has the same foreign advisors as Obama, and just loves things like NDAA and the Patriot Act.
dee50
12:29 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
For those who really want to know the agenda of the Tea Party then watch this very INFORMATIVE video below....Long in length, but I felt well worth every minute of my time!
The Billionaires' Tea Party (Proof Tea Party Is Nothing But Astro Turf)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_WC0FINmA
Jane Aitken
12:38 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50: The only 'uninformed' person seems to be YOU. Here's why.
You are correct when you state that "The tea party is not a party"... however, it is NOT now a "corporate sponsored Astroturf group" and never was. If you could prove otherwise by showing me where we have received any donations from corporations or groups, or ANY DONATIONS AT ALL, you might be credible but you cannot and therefore are not. I personally have never received ONE RED CENT for forming the NHTPC in 2008. I do not ever take money for my work for multiple groups.
If you are going to look for astroturfing "bottom feeders" you'd perhaps better look at the billions pumped into the radical and violent OWS movement and all their associated leftist groups funded by your sugar-daddy George Soros.
This comment really was the barn burner------> "If the tea party was a real movement it would have started while bush and the republicans were in office".
Well duh, IN FACT IT DID! I just posted proof of that. So the joke is on you Dee, and it seem YOU are the one who is uninformed.
Jane Aitken
12:40 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
This video is based on the assumption that the tea party started in 2009 by PREVIOUSLY established groups who call themselves tea party but had nothing to do with its creation. So the whole documentary is BOGUS.
dee50
12:51 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane you stated:
"this video is based on the assumption that the tea party started in 2009 by PREVIOUSLY established groups who call themselves tea party but had nothing to do with its creation. So the whole documentary is BOGUS."
If you even bothered to listen/view the video your statement above is incorrect.....How does one establish if something is "BOGUS" when one doesn't bother to watch....You are proving my above comments to be true!
dee50
12:59 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane you stated:
"If you could prove otherwise by showing me where we have received any donations from corporations or groups, or ANY DONATIONS AT ALL, you might be credible but you cannot and therefore are not"
Here some information for you, but if you don't bother to read them then what's the point? BTW there is this thing called the internet and it's a great tool for researching. There are SEVERAL articles regarding big $ and TP.
The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?_r=1
The Koch Brothers
People & Power asks why the billionaire siblings are spending a fortune in support of a conservative political agenda.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2011/10/2011102683719370179.html
Billnick
12:42 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Go to Ron Paul's Blog, the daily Paul and you will see that these suppossed Tea Party people in this story actually believe that they will steal the nomination from Romney at the Republican National Convention. Seriously, and they are very commited, all most obsessed.
They are playing Romney down in support of Ron Paul not Obama. After the Primary, if its Romney vs. Obama, this same group will vote almost anyone but for four more years of Obama.Think about it, who do you think the catalyst was for the Tea Party movement to begin with?
Jane Aitken
12:50 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
That is not Ron Paul's blog. As I said, the lynchpin of the tea party movement was Federal Reserve, Foreign Policy and Freedom issues.. It is NOT and was never 'party-oriented'.
Billnick
12:56 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
And these are not all true Tea-Partiers, anyone can claim to be, they are Ron Paul advocates. See above.
BTW, you left Obamacare out of the equation and that is where comparisons of the two Candidates is oftentimes equated.
News Flash
12:56 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
No talk about Occupy NH. You know that flop of a movement supported by NH Democrats. I wonder why that is?
Marie
1:01 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
The "tea party" is the instrument of millionaires such as the Koch bros. They and other big business entities are sinking money into tea party interests and they are also pouring money into Romney's campaign. Why would the tea party believe for one minute that they're "movement" is an independent one when billionaires have them in their hip pocket...these are the same people that think its okay to dismantle the economy by closing down American factories and outsourcing jobs overseas. The "tea party" is merely a means to an end for billionaires pumping money into the "movement." They could care less about its less affluent members. If you guys could eavesdrop on the conversations of these millionaries about the movement, you guys would be surprised at the level of basic disregard and animosity they have toward the people in the movement. They view the members as sheep that they can use and manipulate in order for them to keep their millions. They don't care about America, the Constitution, or basic human rights. Many of them don't believe in America or in God. They only believe in themselves and what they can get...when it came right down to it, if you were starving and you begged them for a crust a bread, these folks more than likely wouldn't give it to you.
dee50
2:33 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Exactly Marie......
Jane Aitken
3:11 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
All fantasy on your part Marie. No one gets money from Koch Bros, whom I had never heard of in 2007 - 2009 when I had been tea partying for a whole two years.
Yes I must be in those Billionaires' hip pockets - -wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee what a fun ride!!! Seriously? Believe me if I were, I'd be sunning my butt in Costa Rica instead of working 24/7 for the cause trying to educate people on the issues which clearly people on both sides need -- ESPECIALLY if they think "ignoring lobbyists" by a Congressman is a problem!
BIG QUESTION: By the way, how can you all complain about money and then make a silly statement like that? I am shaking my head....
While it's true they are pouring money into the Romney campaign, I don't see how that has anything to do with us, since we have not endorsed Romney and have refused money from him as well?
Your 'mean people' meme doesn't cut it Marie... try something else why don't you.
Human rights involve the NDAA, the Patriot Act, and not being TAXED to oblivion for breathing the very air.... freedom of speech and health and food freedoms which you seem to take for granted.
Obama has done nothing to protect those 'human rights'.
Jane Aitken
1:07 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Billnick: I have to LOL at this comment. "And these are not all true Tea-Partiers, anyone can claim to be, they are Ron Paul advocates." As I said before and posted evidence to support, those ARE the 'true' tea partiers. You have it backward.
@NewsFlash: No talk about OWS of any type, because there you have a truly 'astroturfed' movement, imported from Serbia, and funded by Soros et al. Our own gov't has even been accused of advising, names named.
@Shripathi Kamath: Since the tea party is about education and not candidates, they will vote for whomever represents their political maturity level. If they have moved beyond the superficial, and the right vs left false paradigm, they will think a bit harder about things. And you have now devolved into the meme that the tea party is against Obama for racist reasons. (We can add that false meme to the myth of 2009, the Koch brothers, and FOX news, all tossed out when facts are ignored.)
@dee50: I've seen the video many times. If it mentions the KOCH brothers, it's right away not credible. The only credible representation of the forming of the tea party is in the video I posted which is a compilation of the various news items and raw videos taken ON THAT DAY.
So other than dragging out the tired old progressive talking points of "FOX News, racism, and KOCH brothers", what else have you automatons got to defend the status quo?
Nothing.
dee50
1:11 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane........All you do is rant your opinions, but I have seen NO facts to back up anything you say......NEXT
Jane Aitken
1:16 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@LaurenH: I forgot about that other tired old chestnut which I personally resent. I have a handicapped sibling that my parents still care for at age 90. I have donated to charity all my life. And Paul Ryan's budget doesn't cut anything but the fringes and would do nothing to help balance the budget... Now if you are going to talk about cutting a trillion $$ and repealing about 100,000 laws, then I'll listen.
@dee50: You are trying to tell ME that the NYT is telling YOU that I got MONEY? Isn't that a bit ridiculous? The NYT is not exactly a credible source, but I am, since I would see the checks and have to report them according to law. Wow.. here you are accusing people of watching too much MSM and yet you are quoting them yourself. The NYT can make up anything it wants, but it doesn't apply to the real movement which is non partisan and doesn't TAKE money from anyone.. as is true of the NHTPC.
@Marie: You need to read the whole thread, look at the flyer from 2007 and the compilation video of that day's events. It is totally bogus to keep repeating this Koch lie unless you can show me any donations from the Koch Bros (or anyone) came to our tea party, ever. That said, I will repeat that these same people don't mind the OWS funded from the start (notice how they had tents, stages, mics, libraries, food, all from the very beginning? Tea Party had no such thing, only manpower)
Gary Nyehurst
1:20 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
It is time for the Paulbots to stop the pouting and posturing and start supporting our real candidate Mitt Romney. He's been trying to accommodate you and has given Paul and his bizarre ideas lots of breaks. Now lets get real. Even his son is supporting Mitt Romney now, what else is there to say? WAKE UP already.
salemvoter
1:27 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
All this writing about Koch brothers and Tea Party. At least Tea Party was civil. George Soros and progressives support the Occupy movement. Elizabeth Warren said she is the intellectual leader of teh Occupy movement.
Jane Aitken
1:28 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@James R. Ruston: Obamacare = backdoor deal between insurance companies and big pharma. You never saw either protesting it did you? Which is amazing since we were attacked in the streets and accused of being paid by insurance companies to protest Obamacare. Laughable! (No one has to pay people who have convictions of their own)
These health care 'exchanges' were just banned from NH - even our radical leftist governor signed the bill because he knows the above is true.
@Gary Nyehurst: There is something wrong when a candidate who has never voted wrongly in his life and gets 10,000 people at rallies and beats the establishment candidate in 11 caucuses is called unelectable. He polls 49% against Obama. All I can say is, if you had your chance to remove the status quo, you blew it by accepting more of the same. It wasn't RP supporters who perped the violence when they didn't get their way, it was ROMNEY supporters. Kinda blows that nice guy perception right out of the water, doesn't it. Sadly many so-called 'conservatives' will only go so far, then they fall right in line with the one party system.
@dee50: The videos I posted do not contain "opinions". Not being funded by anyone is NOT an 'opinion' either as I would be the one to see the checks if there were any. Most real tea partiers who understand when and why the movement was founded do NOT look to FOX news for everything. Most flip channels and see who is saying what. I don't know anyone who sticks with one.
Jane Aitken
1:41 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Gary Nyehurst: Real candidate my butt.
It is time for the Romneybots to stop the pouting and posturing and WORSE. They are the ones breaking hips and fingers and locking doors at caucuses where their candidate is losing delegates. They are almost as violent as OWS!
And do you always do what you are instructed by the establishment?
I was waiting for this type of stuff: "Paul and his bizarre ideas". Just which are those? Fiscal sanity? Congressional oversight? Cutting spending? Repealing unconstitutional laws? Please do tell. And no one has picked Romney as the arbiter of who should 'allow' any one else's ideas.
Rand has retracted his 'big mistake' by the way.
It's people with elitist attitudes like yours are who keep this country on the wrong track.
Jane Aitken
1:44 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@salemvoter has the right idea. Require money to be saved but do NOT allow it mishandled by the 'government'. And yes the tea party never garnered so much as a parking ticket while OWS has broken every law that exists, and damaged millions in property, ironically of the 99% they claim to represent.
The tea party never pushed old ladies down the stairs.
News Flash
1:49 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Lots of democrat jealously being exhibited by their usual Trolls. You are not going to knock down the Tea Party folks who actually elect people. I think that the democrat party is afraid of the Tea Party. Hey Democrats "THEY VOTE", not only that they are actually Citizens. How about that Citizens of the United States. Maybe the democrat party should give a try to listening to CITIZENS for a change.
Jane Aitken
1:54 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@NewsFlash: I have also never seen so much disinformation and talking points posted in one spot. It's all so predictable.
And the assertions that I am posting opinions about getting paid. Am I, but just don't know it? LOL
I guess all those video clips of us tossing the tea in the harbors didn't happen either. Some people never paid attention before 2009 but that's not us.
Jane Aitken
2:05 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Right on cue, here we have another episode that is typical of "What Can We Believe"?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304898704577480690373916800.html
dee50
2:32 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Newsflash you say :" Hey Democrats "THEY VOTE" , not only that they are actually Citizens."
Another non-factual statement that I consistently hear from the Right...
The Truth About Voter Fraud:
Usually, only a tiny portion of the claimed illegality is substantiated — and most of the remainder is either nothing more than speculation or has been conclusively debunked.
There have been a handful of substantiated cases of individual ineligible voters attempting to defraud the election system. But by any measure, voter fraud is extraordinarily rare.
http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf
Also Newsflash you say: " How about that Citizens of the United States. Maybe the democrat party should give a try to listening to CITIZENS for a change."
Are suggesting because Dems don't agree with Republicans we are not CITIZENS?
Jane Aitken
2:55 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@PartyPooper: I suggest you watch the video to see who started the tea party and why.
Corporate America is a TARGET of the tea party when they team up with NGOs and the UN to affect government policies.. The Koch brothers had nothing to do with it..
I find it beyond amusing that you keep insisting this but have no proof that we are funded in any way.. The information would be public if we were.
I am not the one 'dancing' but you and your progressive cohorts are because you can't defend what is going on right now inside the Obama administration in any other way.
And again we are not a party.. and don't carry water for any of them.
dee50
3:01 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane
Below are a few questions on this board that James Ruston asked and one that I had asked, but I don’t believe you replied. I am interested in hearing what you have to say….I will wait for your response.
James R. Ruston
2 hours ago
Asked you:
"I would really like to hear DeLemus and you other Tea Party types define what you mean by liberty in real, concrete terms rather than just throwing it out to explain your support or distaste of one candidate or another."
For instance, why don't you offer one real, concrete "liberty" that Obama has personally taken away from you?
I had asked you:
dee50
1 hour ago
@Jane you say,
"Time to replace those programs with private means of providing retirement and health security for all"
So, tell us what is the plan that you and your TP follower have?
Jane Aitken
3:33 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50: I think if you read every single post here, I eventually hit on the answers. But I will do it again if you want. Real Liberty = Respect for the freedoms that are protected under the Constitution. And I also stated that BOTH sides were guilty of violating many of those freedoms which is why the tea party was started in 2007 - YES during the W admin.
The tea party has no 'plan' for replacing programs, except that they do need to be replaced because the government has screwed up.
Someone else on here recommended that we be required to have retirement and health savings accounts, but that $$ NOT BE MANAGED (and therefore can't be stolen from by) the US GOVERNMENT. It's pretty simple.
Instead all I heard back against the tea party was whining the old chestnuts of "Koch Bros, Fox, racist mean people" none of which played a part of why we took to the harbors on 12/16/2007.
Oh sure, some people joined in 2009 bcuz Obama's policies were so horrific they finally woke up, but they are now getting schooled on original issues & ignore them at their own peril. They need to examine & call out BOTH parties. Even so, I will defend 2009ers because I doubt they joined because of racism. I have never met a person calling themselves 'tea party', not in 2007, not in 2009, not in 2012 that says they don't like Obama's skin color.
Conservatives need to rally round issues & causes and not slack off just bcuz a republican is in office. A lot of the same stuff is going on!
Jane Aitken
3:02 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@CwV: Nice to see you support the progressive, globalist, left wing agenda.
RP takes SS because he paid into it. What? That doesn't jive with the lie neocons & liberals spread continually about him wanting to cut it off? If you paid into it you should get it, period. He's never said he would cut SS.
Ron Paul is bad because he ignores LOBBYISTS?? Wow. Did you know ONE foreign country alone has 13,000 lobbyists in Congress? That's called TREASON my friend - letting foreigners control policies is what gets us into LOTS of trouble overseas. And just because the others don't do the right thing, I'm glad RP does, even if he votes ALONE.
His character is unimpeachable.
Maybe neocons & progs would be more popular if you helped with getting out of the UN instead of enabling communist interlopers who are currenlty wreaking havoc in our towns and schools and brainwashing our kids. Or protecting our second amendment rights. Or getting rid of the stranglehold that the Fed has on us. Or are you just more of part of the problem? I know the answer... as do many others.
Funny, his Tx constituents sent him to DC with a vote of 60%-80% in most elections. They must like what he was trying to do.
Basically he is trying to force the Republican party to actually BE Republicans and distinguish themselves from Democrats, which so far they have not done by virtue of any of the other candidates they've offered us.
Meanwhile, Pawlenty was inflicting IB on the poor kids in his state.
Mike Healey
3:22 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Ron Paul is your only choice if you want to live by the Taxed Enough Already's core principles.
dee50
3:26 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane you stated regarding Paul:
"That doesn't jive with the lie neocons & liberals spread continually about him wanting to cut it off? If you paid into it you should get it, period. He's never said he would cut SS."
I agree with your above statement, I have paid into it for over 35 years and I as well as other Americans should get it if we have paid into SS!, but I had thought Paul was for Privatizing SS?
Jane Aitken
3:37 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Just the other day he on "Morning Joe" he said he would not cut it off! I don't know where you get your info. Wanting to fix something doesn't = cutting it off! I feel badly for you that you paid into it and that the gov't has misspent a lot of it and it might not be there for you. I also worked 40 years but I did not put in any SS except for a few PT jobs I held during school.
The youth are firmly behind him because they know the FedRes (inflationary practices) and robber barons in the gov't are destroying their future.
News Flash
3:48 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
A lot of democrats are not sold on Obama and will not vote for him again.
Jane Aitken
3:51 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@NewsFlash This is true. If they are honest they will admit it. The two party system is rather broken because at the upper levels they seem to have morphed into ONE. Only the peons fight amongst each other about issues... all based on one wrong perception after another. You can't blame people for wanting republicans to protect the constitutional republic and not lobbyists or the UN or any other NGOs whose agents affect our rules and laws and ways of life.
dee50
4:01 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane,
I remember when I was in my late teens hearing about SS not being around for much longer and it's still around. Heck, the Republicans have been wanting to end SS prior to the Goldwater days. The Republicans are very good at promoting Fear. The only way at this point at my age if SS is not around for me to collect would be if we elect a Republican who believes the answer to SS is privatizing. One could only imagine if Bush got his way on Privatizing SS while he was President, what would have happened to all the money when the market crashed.... Giving Wall Street the keys to SS would be the worse possible scenario!
Jane Aitken
4:15 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Good grief, did I say give Wall Street our money? Another bogeyman talking point exposed. Whew... there isn't enough time in the day to battle these wrong headed ideas.
salemvoter
8:52 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Dee,
Washington has spent every dollar that has been contributed to Social Security. They borrowed it to pay for programs. The only thing in your account, or anyone else account, is an IOU. On Aug 4, 2011 President Obama and Senate President Harry Reid, threatened senior citizens that they may not get their Social Security checks unless the debt ceiling was raised. They are borrowing money to pay back money that they borrowed! Can you imagine that, a Democrat politician, thrfeatening to withhold Social Security payments unles they get their way! Look at what happened, the Democrats refuse to vote on a budget in Senate, so the Dems say "Hey, we need to raise the debt ceiling by a trillion dollars" And, those damn Republicans, had the audacity to ask "What are you going to spend the money on" How dare they. C'mon Dee, loan me 20k, I'll pay it back.
Bob Samson
4:09 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Democrats should worry about Democrats and not the Tea Party. Here is a sample of why:
Obama Losing Support in Democratic Strongholds
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Obama-jobs-support-NY/2011/09/15/id/411151
Obama loses 42 percent of Kentucky, Arkansas primary vote
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/0523/Obama-loses-42-percent-of-Kentucky-Arkansas-primary-vote.-Should-he-worry-video
Obama almost loses Democratic primaries
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-democratic-primaries-even-035/
Unknowns Beating Obama In Democratic Primaries
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/23/153519650/unknowns-beating-obama-in-democratic-primaries
dee50
4:29 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Bob
I really don't put much faith in polls based on many reasons. Mainly because we all know it depends who your polling, who is behind the poll, and how the questions are being formed...But that being said here is the most recent Bloomberg poll (2 days ago)........
Obama Leads In Poll As Voters View Romney As Out Of Touch
Obama leads Romney 53 percent to 40 percent among likely voters
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-20/obama-leads-in-poll-as-voters-view-romney-as-out-of-touch.html
Bob Samson
4:38 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
These were DEMOCRAT PRIMARIES.
dee50
4:09 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane you stated:
" You can't blame people for wanting republicans to protect the constitutional republic and not lobbyists or the UN or any other NGOs whose agents affect our rules and laws and ways of life"
Are you not aware of all the $ that the few millionaires and billionaire who have influenced our elections have given? They are the one's controlling our Country and the Voting booths.....Thank you Roberts Supreme Court for one of the worst decisions ever, Citizens United, how does your TP group feel about this ruling?
Jane Aitken
4:14 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50 I sure am.. Soros has funded scores of groups for the sole purpose of taking down the country, his life's work (per himself) and our current president took plenty of foreign money and Goldman Sachs too.
Since we do not take any money from anyone, the ruling doesn't affect us. We do not work for campaigns. We are a movement and anyone who joins with the idea that we MUST tell others to support the establishment-promoted R is mistaken.
dee50
4:17 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane,
How about Koch, Rove, Adleson, just to name a few!!!..........Did you forget those names while you were singling out Soros!
dee50
4:14 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane,
You stated:
"The tea party has no 'plan' for replacing programs, except that they do need to be replaced because the government has screwed up."
So you have no plans......PERFECT!
Also did you answer this question:
For instance, why don't you offer one real, concrete "liberty" that Obama has personally taken away from you?
Again Jane name a specific liberty that Obama has personally taken away from you?
Jane Aitken
4:27 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50: Why aren't you worried that as we speak, the people in RIO are trying to determine your fate and Obama and most republicans will do nothing about that, and even enable it? Do you realize their policies are stretching all the way down to our towns and schools? Each time, another right is lost.
And why do you expect that WE are supposed to have plans? We don't write legislation... ??? I just explained a possible solution, which you keep saying is Wall Street.. What more do you want? Legislators are supposed to write legislation to put those ideas into play... not tea parties. LOL
dee50
4:56 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane...
So, again I have asked you four times now to give ONE specific liberty that Obama has taken away from YOU and you still come up with nothing...NOTHING!
You say :
"And why do you expect that WE are supposed to have plans? We don't write legislation... ??? I just explained a possible solution, which you keep saying is Wall Street.. What more do you want? Legislators are supposed to write legislation to put those ideas into play... not tea parties. LOL"
You do realize there are several TP in Congress, who by the way write legislation, such as Joe Walsh and Allen West, your hero's I assume?
James R. Ruston
4:24 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Soros supports policies that will benefit the middle class and cost him money in terms of more taxes. That is in sharp contrast to the millionaires and billionaires who are supporting various conservative causes that will make them richer at the expense of the middle class.
Jane Aitken
4:31 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Oh right! Here is a man convicted of breaking the banks of countries for 'sport' and then arranging for socialist revolutions to take over for his "open society". Nice try James but no cigar. Soros is also an admitted Nazi war criminal and should be deported and jailed, immediately. Soros doesn't believe there SHOULD be a middle class... he wants to equalize us with the third world.
Jane Aitken
4:37 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@PatriceFerguson:
I would also love to know what (concervative) (sic) is in the Mind of the GOP.
Abortions are not 'health' and there are enough criminals in the government on both sides.
Immigration policies are compromised for expediency, and education is no business of the Feds anyway. I'll bet you don't mind the IBO.org in our schools brainwashing our kids?
Fiscal reclousness (sic) ? Excuse me but no one here can justify the $500 Billion obama sent to his foreign banker backers overseas. Or that stimulus spending bill that rewarded all his cronies, but didn't create a single job.
Once again, saying that "The Tea Party is not for the constitution its for Wall Street" is an unproven accusation. Name one thing we have done to support 'Wall Street'?
"A patriot for the aristocrats. Three chears (sic) for the head master Koch."
Was this post a joke? No one here has a head master, least of all Koch. You will need to provide more than just clichés.
Shawn Kelloway
4:38 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
How can soo many people be soo dumb in my home state...
If you want fiscal responsibility and independence, then you want a single payer system supported by a version of Affordable Healthcare and Medicare. Medicare Advantage was a private insurer buy-in which impoverished and financially bloated Medicare. Affordable Healthcare, and the Mandate, assures that everyone pays their fair share and reduces the amount of people who get healthcare for free without paying for it. Also, if Obama version of Affordable Healthcare passed, Medicare would have been given the right to negotiate with drug companies rather than buying at inflated flat rates, which would have saved another 300 billion over 10 years. That is fiscal and social responsibility and hands-down primarily supported by Obama and NOT Romney.
You want Personal Liberty; then legalize pot, gay marriage, be pro-choice and stop people (aka the Supreme Court) telling everyone else how to eff their lives. AGAIN, issues mainly supported by Obama and NOT Romney.
You want Constitutional Rights then we should be lynching the Supreme Court for being bought and paid for by Karl Rove and the Department of Commerce who are steadily eroding your rights as outlined in the Constitution.
How do you say you stand for something and then run in the opposite direction? Get off the effin' meth! I know it is growing in popularity up there, but hell, Londonderry and Manchester are not that cool.
Jane Aitken
4:46 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Yikes. This my friends is what the Democrat party represents. Not pretty is it.
Very hard to have a conversation with people who toss out names that mean nothing to us... as if we don't have our own ideas and surely we must be paid to say this or that... It would be funny if not so sad.
Jane Aitken
4:40 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50 What about Koch, Rove, Adleson, just to name a few? Yes I "forgot" those names because they mean nothing to us... Why would you think they did? They were never in our minds to begin with LOL. Who are they anyway?
dee50
4:50 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
But Soros name does?
dee50
4:49 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane you say:
"Or that stimulus spending bill that rewarded all his cronies, but didn't create a single job."
I guess you know more than the CBO?
Did the Stimulus Create Jobs?
Yes, the stimulus legislation increased employment, despite false Republican claims to the contrary.
September 27, 2010
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/
The Stimulus Plan: A Detailed List of Spending
http://www.propublica.org/special/the-stimulus-plan-a-detailed-list-of-spending
Jane Aitken
4:57 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Dee50: Government jobs not private sector.
And, Soros is the anti-thesis of everything we stand for and is a force for destruction so yes we know his name well. He is for neutralizing sovereignty, we are for retaining it. He is for dumbing down our economy on behalf of equalization, we are for beefing up our economy and for America first policies. He is for eradicating religion and languages in favor of a one track approach.. in fact for everything, including government. He would love to be King of the World. He is likely one of the most dangerous men in the world. He would love to impose carbon taxes, bank taxes, internet taxes, ad nauseum!
You need to read this article and educate yourself on what is happening. If you are against corporations and foundations (read RICH!) then you should fully be against this, but you are NOT. Why????
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/item/11811-un-global-classroom-turning-americas-students-into-good-global-citizens
ForThePeople
7:06 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Jane, same old xenophobic attitude from you.
Reject fear and loathing 2012.
Jane Aitken
5:02 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50:
I realize there are several people who call themselves "TP" in Congress, who do not deserve the title.
I have not examined the voting record of Joe Walsh, but I can tell you Allen West does NOT qualify.
dee50
5:03 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane
The stimulus was more than jobs.....Again, you didn't even try opening up both links, now did you!
Second
You rant about Soros and then you say "What about Koch, Rove, Adleson, just to name a few? Yes I "forgot" those names because they mean nothing to us.."
If you say you know nothing about those three guys and you are supposedly concerned with the destruction of America then shame on you!
Jane Aitken
5:07 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50 The stimulus was about bankrupting the country for Obama's handlers, and in the process rewarding Obama's cronies.
I assumed you meant I was supposed to 'know' about them because somehow I followed them. I've never had any interaction whatsoever with Koch, I haven't seen Rove since he was on TV during the Bush admin even to hear him talk, and Adelson I'm going to guess funded one of those fake republicans that was running for president. It's as if you think they have some direct line to us and are telling us what to do.. they don't know we exist frankly.. and we like it that way. It is really comical.
dee50
5:19 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane,
You say:
"The stimulus was about bankrupting the country for Obama's handlers, and in the process rewarding Obama's cronies."
FYI Jane this Country was bankrupted prior to Obama serving his first day! O.K., I have had enough going back and forth with you. Have a pleasant day and lay off of that Kool-Aid will ya:)
But before I leave see below regarding spending:
Spending Growth by Presidency (average annual growth in Federal Spending)
Eisenhower---3.2%
Kennedy-------6.2%
Johnson-------9.2%
Nixon---------10.4%
Carter--------13.5%
Reagan-------6.8%
Bush 1--------5.4%
Clinton--------3.5%
Bush Jr.—----7.7%
Obama--------1.4%
Sources:
Congressional Budget Office (CBO), nonpartisan analysis for the U.S. Congress
Office of Management and Budget (OMB)
MarketWatch, The Wall Street Journal
1. Spending by president begins with the fiscal year that started during the calendar year they took office
2. 2009 Recovery Act was attributed to Obama
JAKE
6:01 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
GREAT JOB DEE50.....ROMENY IS A PUPPET! THE PERFECT ANTICHRIST!
Jane Aitken
7:22 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@ForThePeople: Xenophobic? Really? (I didn't know Latinas *could* be...)
Hmm, let's add that to the list of excuses in lieu of the facts, so "I'll toss out racism, xenophobia, Koch Bros, or mean people" and see if one sticks. LOL
Xenophobia has nothing to do with sovereignty and rule of law. I reject the UN and your fear and loathing of the Constitutional Republic.
Why not stop the name calling and address the issues?
ForThePeople
8:20 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Is this the part where you just repeat what I say in reverse? Your irrelevant reply to an alternative curriculum that emphasizes critical thinking and community smacks of xenophobia. You are also ignorant if you think being any race excludes you from being xenophobic.
Jane Aitken
8:55 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
You and your cohorts calling me names in lieu of having any facts to argue about is what is irrelevant. The word "xenophobe" is a code word for "racist". I will no longer respond to people who call names.
If you'd read the piece by the UNESCO/IBO agent, you will see she repeats and affirms the same things I've said all along. You rant against the rich corporations, but don't mind their foundations working with an NGO (UNESCO) and paying their consultants to promote the agenda that benefits the corporations that fund them! Your hypocrisy is mindboggling in that respect.
IB is NOT an "alternative curriculum that emphasizes critical thinking and community". (That's like saying Hitler was a dog lover -- that may have been true -- but there is more to the story.) As is typical, you are leaving OUT an awful lot.
IB is also a values program to lure children into the UN way of thinking and doing the bidding of the UN's agenda (MDG, Agenda 21), by their own admission. Children in the lower grades must be tested on those values every two weeks. Teachers see that it's IB's way or the highway. In fact the parents of MV have just posted something about that.. you ought to read it.
ForThePeople
9:58 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
We can discuss IB. I just think you aren't equipped in some ways to discuss this. You are saying being a Latina makes you immune to xenophobia, which is ridiculous (and no, that doesn't mean racist). They are different words, please take a moment to Google them.
This hidden conspiracy of the UN somehow infiltrating America… which is rephrased as "anything un-American is bad." It's just not true. There is a whole wide world out there, a community far bigger and greater than America itself. I love America just like anyone else, but do you know what I love even more? Humanity. For all of its faults, for all of its warts, it is the most resilient and astounding species ever to grace the planet. We damn near destroy ourselves every few decades, but we always come back from the brink better than before. That's not just American. That is humanity.
Associating things that are un-American with evil, conspiracy, or infiltration, is McCarthyism. I am bored with repeating ourselves throughout history. I am bored with ultranationalism telling us what we can and can't think. I am also bored with individuals who claim to know what being American is. Because for me, the true evolution of the American will be the world community participant. That doesn't mean you forsake country, it doesn't mean your loyalty is to the UN; what it does mean is that you can see the bigger picture, critical thinking becomes a point of emphasis, and you know how to treat other human beings.
Tammy
10:08 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
ForThePeople: Great post!
Jane Aitken
8:55 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Here is the link:
http://www.mvsd-ib.org/ib/2012/06/22/massachusetts-ib-restricts-freedom-of-speech/
Since I studied three languages before the age of 16, I doubt that racism is an issue.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/education/item/11811-un-global-classroom-turning-americas-students-into-good-global-citizens
ForThePeople
10:02 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Knowing multiple languages doesn't make you immune to racism. For example, many educated Arabs who are racist against the Jewish people happen to know multiple languages, including English. I don't know where you are getting this idea that being a racist has anything to do with education, what you studied, or anything like that.
And I told you that you had a xenophobic attitude. That is not the same thing! For someone so intimidated by critical thinking as curriculum, you are not helping your case by willfully ignoring the definition.
Jane Aitken
8:59 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Gary G. Krupp: He was only one of about 4 US Reps who garnered 100% on the freedom index just put out by the NAM.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_112-2.pdf
Bob Samson
10:25 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Reject the Race Baiting Democrat Party.
dee50
10:27 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Jane
You stated earlier:
“What about Koch, Rove, Adleson, just to name a few? Yes I "forgot" those names because they mean nothing to us... Why would you think they did? They were never in our minds to begin with LOL. Who are they anyway?”
I felt compelled to jump back on this board to give you some insight regarding the Koch brothers... Just in case as you stated you wonder who they are, wink-wink…See below
Koch Brothers, Allies Pledge $100 Million At Private Meeting To Beat Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/koch-brothers-100-million-obama_n_1250828.html
Mr. Koch and his brother, David Koch, were among the main beneficiaries of the Supreme Court's decision in the Citizens United case and became a favorite target of liberal groups, which accused them of effectively trying to buy the election.
Scalia, Thomas Dined at Fancy Koch Dinners Before Citizens United Ruling, Advocacy Group Wants DOJ Investigation
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/445511/scalia,_thomas_dined_at_fancy_koch_dinners_before_citizens_united_ruling,_advocacy_group_wants_doj_investigation/
dee50
10:28 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Continued: Koch Enterprise
How Koch Became An Oil Speculation Powerhouse
From Inventing Oil Derivatives To Deregulating The Market
Koch is also participating in the unregulated derivatives markets as a financial player, buying and selling speculative products that are increasingly contributing to the skyrocketing price of oil.
http://thinkprogress.org/report/koch-oil-speculation/
Koch Brothers behind Wisconsin Effort To Kill Public Unions
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/18/koch-brothers-behind-wisconsin-effort-to-kill-public-unions/
CLARENCE THOMAS PARTICIPATED IN KOCH BROS. POLITICAL RETREAT
http://www.casavaria.com/cafesentido/2011/02/19/7749/clarence-thomas-participated-in-koch-bros-political-retreat/
REPORT: How Koch Industries Makes Billions By Demanding Bailouts And Taxpayer Subsidies
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/03/01/146847/charles-koch-welfare/
Koch I http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/ndustries Environmen¬tal Record
dee50
10:32 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
And
Koch I http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/ndustries Environmen¬tal Record
REPORT: Everything You Need To Know About The Koch Brothers
http://thinkprogress.org/polit¬ics/2011/0¬4/04/155854/charles-koch-and-david-koch-report/
You Thought the Koch Brothers Were Bad? Turns Out They're Even Worse Than You Thought
http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/150520/you_thought_the_koch_brothers_were_bad_t-urns_out_they%27reeven%C2%ACworsethanyouthought/%E2%80%9D
Gov. Christie and Koch brothers share anti-environment agenda
http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/commentary/gov-christie-and-koch-brothers-share-anti-environment-agenda
Thought I throw in something about a guy named Norquist Jane, just in case you have not heard of this Con as well....
Mind you most of the Republicans signed Norquists pledge…Who is this Norquist guy and who elected him in office?
Norquist Tells GOP That Raising Taxes On The Middle Class Doesn’t Count As A Tax Increase
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/01/380129/norquist-gop-middle-class-ta/
Jane Aitken
11:43 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@dee50 Sorry but you can rant all you want about these Koch people but they are irrelevant to me. They do not fund me nor influence me in any way. So if you think they are bad that's fine. But it has no bearing on what is being discussed here.
I have no idea who took the Norquist pledge. In NH we have our own Pledge. We are not funded or directed by anyone named Norquist.
Keep the conversation relevant please... and the red herrings to a minimum?
Jane Aitken
11:40 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@ForThePeople:
I will not discuss IB here..except to say this...
You are suggesting that somehow I don't think kids should learn languages which is somehow supposedly a unique characteristic of IB.. it's not! I had languages starting in the 5th grade.
There is no hidden conspiracy. There is an agenda, a program, a purpose and it's spelled right out in Jean Bernard's piece. You ought to read it. I just don't happen to agree with the purpose.. and it's not learning languages which can be done without IBO interference.
You apparently have never been in a school lately as a student or a teacher. I have.
ForThePeople
10:39 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Who said that learning languages is a unique characteristic of IB? Your logical fallacies, poor reading comprehension, xenophobia…it all adds up to your own confusion.
Jane Aitken
11:48 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Anthony S: You should have read this whole sheet of comments before saying something stupid like that. I don't watch FOX News. I work about 16 hours per day and have no time to watch 'tv' which is mostly BS anyway.
Jane Aitken
11:50 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
@Anthony S: If you are so worried about corporate control of everyone, then you'd also be on our side about UNESCO. (gotcha!) Because when it comes to the UN and control of your life, you ain't seen nothin' yet!
Jane Aitken
12:13 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
@Anthony S: The subject here is whether people should blindly support Romney just because he is the one who the establishment has been pushing. People devolved into attacking me by mentioning other people who don't matter and claiming I watch FOX News. I merely have assured them I don't. And I will continue to assure them so they don't waste their time attacking something when there is no need.
You are hilarious. I doubt you read this whole thread. If you had, you would not be saying I don't "know anything". I work 16 hours per day AT THIS, not at a job as you are imagining. (I don't know how I could be doing all this writing if I did)
I think someone (you) ought to look in the mirror before he accuses me of 'posting the Fox News point of view'. Because the FOX news point of view is shoving Romney down our throats and always has been. I am quite sure I've not 'spouted' them here at all, and in fact, have said they or any of the people mentioned have no influence on me.
I am not sure what 'talking points' I am repeating of FOX NEWS, but I'd sure be happy if they were not pushing Romney on us...
Mimi
1:11 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
This is just a usless story trying to keep the Mushroom tea drinkers revelent. The Tpers got off with a good message, but it didn't take long for everyone to realize they are nothing but a scam. You voted for them to go to congress WHERE ARE THE JOBS, I didn't hear ONE PEEP about the trillion dollar farm bill, not one peep about the additional money added to our biggest socialist program the country has OUR MILITARY. So you people can keep believing that these people are anything other than opportunist all you like. Take a look at the people they support a camel farmer REALLY??? Joe the conspiracy Plumber??? REALLY, Joe Walsh the crazy Really and the biggest loon of them all BACHMAN. These people lack the intelligence to do anything but cause chaos not one time they do is helpful. They are full of hatred and rightgousness they are nothing more than a terrorist group.
Jane Aitken
8:34 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Wow that's such a coherent and intelligent post Mimi. I guess we all know what leftists think about others expressing their opinions and exercising their rights.... it's a scam and we should just keep our mouths shut unless we agree with socialism, right? I thought so.
Govt is not supposed to provide jobs, the free market is.
I am sure the farm bill is an issue that has been acted upon often.
The military is one of our biggest issues... we want the boys home from all countries.
And we never heard of any camel farmer...
Sometimes I wonder if you people read or just shoot off your mouths first?
No don't you feel like a fool?
Jack Conaway
7:23 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
The Tea Party is supportive of individual liberty except when it comes to rights for affordable health care, separation of church and state, reproductive rights, family control over end-of-life decisions, and protection against yahoos with loaded weapons wandering around on our streets - in short, many of the most important individual freedoms in a citizen's lifecycle.
Jane Aitken
8:39 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Jack I wonder where you have seen anything religious or about abortion on the tea party website?
Yes we believe in the freedom to keep and bear arms with no restrictions 100% as it is provided for in our Constitution. It is why NH is one of the safest most crime free states in which to live. Try going to DC where guns are banned and see how safe you are...
And health care, affordable or otherwise, is not a 'right' and is NOT supposed to be guaranteed by government. If you keep looking to government to give you "your rights" which are really entitlements, and everything else, we'll end up like Greece. Did you know that NH, thanks to Jeanne Shaheen, practically made Anthem insurance a monopoly, thus driving up prices and eliminating choice? Yes your lovely Shaheen did that, the one who got 20% on the freedom index. Free market insures choice and thus competitive pricing.
You are way off base with the rest of the nonsense you posted.
Scott Morales
9:37 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
That's hillarious. Conflating individual liberty with "rights for affordable health care"[sic], lol. Love it. And then in the same sentence: "family control over end-of-life decision". OMG, where to start. Firstly, every definition of "individual liberty" does not provide for the conscription of others to provide a right for you, which is required to provide "affordable health care" as a right.
Secondly, if it is a right, then it's the government's responsibility to ensure that it's not violated and providing "affordable health care" must be done for all with limited resources. This means that some entity, government or private, must see to its administration, which includes the managing of resources and deciding on what or whom something is funded. That includes deciding if gramma is going to recieve the funds for a decision and, if she and her family are unable to afford the outcome of that decision, the administrator must decided. Thus removing the "family control over end-of-life decisions".
Jane Aitken
10:11 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
"First we re-educate... then we assume control of energy, food, and health care. Then we have the people where we want them." ~ Josef Stalin
Tammy
11:34 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
I perused your website and found it was mostly links to conspiracy sites. WND, John Birch Society, Glen Beck, Fox,etc...Anti-Agenda 21 groups are not considered credible by most. All the above engage in fear mongering and misrepresentation as well as promoting extreme theocratic principles.
Jane Aitken
12:06 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
And all of those lead to the UN's websites, which are fraught with Agenda 21. Where do you think the material came from? Excuses as usual. Those are not 'conspiracy' sites but link directly to the UN itself.
There is nothing 'theocratic' about opposing Agenda 21, however, we know that's a Democrat/Socialist talking point of the day. Don't you people think for yourself ever?
Democrats have sites against Agenda 21 as well, such as this one:
http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/
Anyone who claims there is no Agenda 21 is either not credible or has a complete inability to read the plethora of information out there.
ForThePeople
12:41 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Jane, why not give some specifics of the conspiracy theory you are talking about, with quotes and references? I'm sure it will be entertaining. Just pasting links that lead to other links with crazy conspiracy theories… it's not helping. We need specifics here.
And no, quoting Joseph Stalin is not going to do anything but reinforce your disconnect from reality. Other personalities you should stay away from in your explanation: Glenn Beck- anything related to Fox news actually- and Koch brothers literature.
Jane Aitken
12:50 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Anyone who claims that Agenda 21 doesn't exist is, as I said, either being very disingenuous or can't read. What do you think was going on in RIO de Janeiro all last week? I guess that was a crazy conspiracy theory put forth by the UN? In fact what YOU are saying is a crazy conspiracy theory, and the equivalent to "the sun does not exist no matter how brightly it is shining". You are ridiculous and to be ridiculed.
Please stop wasting my time with this idiocy. You are making fools of yourselves at this point. Rio was the UN confab that took place in lavish surroundings, all while suggesting we take less showers. In 1992 they got many countries to agree to Agenda 21... and continue to push it in our towns.
Here is ONE of thousands of articles about RIO and Agenda 21.
http://www.uncsd2012.org/about.html
End of Story.. No more questions answered about it here, this is off-topic.
Tammy
1:10 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Who is claiming it does not exist? Personally, I think the guidelines are well researched and positive for humanity. I just don't agree that it is part of some "New World Order" conspiracy.
ForThePeople
2:34 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Please tell us why Rio+20 is a horrible event. What I'm reading is about sustainable resources. Frankly, I'm too terrified to read the next link. What if it's about saving the rain forest or something equally un-American?
The next thing you know, they're going to start talking about how all men and women are created equal (an improvement upon our Declaration of Independence).
Jane Aitken
12:51 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
"Glenn Beck- anything related to Fox news actually- and Koch brothers literature."
None of which I have posted here... as usual.. Lies. I don't think the word "Koch" has ever left my mouth, either.. EVER, since I/we have nothing to do with them, nor the other two entities you love to pull out of your talking points of the day..
Jane Aitken
12:53 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
YEP, even more crazy conspiracy theories going on in Windham and Salem.
http://windham.patch.com/articles/letter-why-town-shouldn-t-have-approved-sci
Tammy
1:17 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Sure is...
ForThePeople
2:39 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Here is an example of the kind of crazy from that link:
"Another is to reduce “Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT).” Take a moment and let that sink in… the government wants to track each of our Vehicle Miles Traveled...
As I read through those documents and learned many of the details of this program, two thoughts kept coming to mind: (1) James Madison’s warning that Liberty and Property are inseparable, and (2) Karl Marx’ statement “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”"
You two must be kindred spirits. I guess we shouldn't have any programs, ideas or discussions about how to improve the human condition, our way of life, sustainable behavior, or economic injustice. Whenever someone pulls out Karl Marx, it always makes me roll my eyes.
Keep going with the conspiracy theories. :-)
James R. Ruston
2:54 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Jane: It has truly been said that a rigid ideology makes a fool of the ideologue. And there is no better example than you.
Jane Aitken
3:38 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
I don't know James.... the people here that can do nothing but name-call seem like the ideologues to me. They must feel embarrassed after visiting the link I gave them on the UN website... right from the horse's mouth, since they made no comment on whether that is fantasy or reality. The UN has thousands of such pages about their plans.
http://www.uncsd2012.org/about.html
Also, to @ForThePeople: The VMT tax is nothing new. They have talked about it in Europe and now in Massachusetts. In fact the planning group there has put together a presentation on it. There is no excuse for being so out of the loop.
http://willbrownsberger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/MAPC_Reardon_Climate-Change-Committee-4_13_10.pdf
And here it is being discussed again, from thousands of places in the country that have posted their talk about "VMT". http://www.commonwealthmagazine.org/The-Download/Will-a-vehicle-miles-traveled-tax-fly-in-Massachusetts.aspx
It's hard to have conversations with people as ill-informed as some of you, who think everything is a 'conspiracy theory' just because you are so wrapped up in your parochial ways of life you never heard of the subject. When something presents itself as clearly and obviously as Agenda 21, it makes YOU the conspiracy theorist to say it isn't happening. I guess that would make you a "denier" as well.
Keep living with your head in the sand. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
Jane Aitken
3:46 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
You can like the idea to save the rain forest if you want, but they need to keep their greedy hands off my property and water. They have a nerve to be whooping it up in the best hotels in RIO drinking wine while advocating we have less children, take less showers, and give up our cars... yeah right!
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/
"Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment."
I'm still betting you are going to ignore the Agenda 21 stuff from the UN source just as you will gloss over the naivete over the VMT... you should just give it up. Your progressive talking points (calling me a "racist, mean, theocrat, conspiracy theorist", etc) are not only old, boring clichés, and very predictable but they are ineffective against facts.
ForThePeople
7:02 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
That's the thing. Nobody called you a racist, mean, theocratic conspiracy theorist. I did call you xenophobic, but that's because you are! Your reply to that was that you studied multiple languages in high school. How am I supposed to take you seriously?
The fact you are worried about the rainforest and sustainable energy somehow ruining your life because it's part of some secret agenda… it's not any secret, environmentalists have been trying to change our behavior to sustainable for years. Years. And it's a good idea. As soon as it makes sense financially, I'm sure you'll start to see people jump on board. Until then, we get McCarthyism baloney from extremists like yourself.
Jane Aitken
10:28 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
@ForThePeople: Search on the words (racist, mean, theocratic conspiracy theorist and xenophobic) and you'll find them sprinkled throughout.
You then admit "I did call you xenophobic, but that's because you are!" Really? That's a pretty derogatory statement to make about someone. Wanna prove it?
You are a name caller, is all, anything you've heard on MoveOn.org, DailyKos, or Chris Matthews will do. That tells a lot about you. And can you prove your libelous utterings? What proof do you have that I am 'xenophobic'? I doubt you have anything that would stand up in court of law, say, if I filed a libel suit?
My reply to that was that I studied multiple languages in high school because I did. People who don't read the IB documents wrongly claim the story we somehow don't like IB because we are somehow against studying foreign languages. What a joke. (Or that you need IB to help you do that too? Does IBO own the rights to the French language?)
Jane Aitken
10:28 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
@ForThePeople: How am I supposed to take YOU seriously when you are not even arguing to the point? You are correct about Agenda 21, Sustainable development and all the other wacky extremist controlling plans that are being made by the nutjobs at the UN. You said it was a 'theory' and I said it's not a 'theory' and not any secret. Now you agree with me. How easily you bend in the wind.
Environmentalists have been trying to change our behavior to sustainable for years so how can it be a 'theory'? Only now they are overstepping their bounds and trying to affect our laws, locally.
You are very weak debater. Proof is I now I can add one more name to the list... go away little boy, you're witless arguments are boring me. Calling us McCarthyites because we would like to retain ownership of the water under our own property. How dare we! Pfffft.
Rudy Gonzales
11:52 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Do not kid yourselves! The TEA party is alive and well locally, at the state level and now pushing into national politics. The TEA-Republicans are dead-set on blocking everything Obama is for. All the fancy prose and poetry sounds good and may hold water in some cases, But TEA party-ers will vote and they will not vote for Obama and will hold court with the Romney camp to infuse their skewed ideas and ideals into their party. They may not like it, but they will hold their noses when they vote. It's at the local level and state level where the most control is implemented by these fringe politicians. Ron and Rand Paul are the catalysts for soldiering forward with their own issues, even at the expense of their party and the country. It's at the local level where people are using the (R) instead of the (T) to run for office, and where the most control over money, infrastructure, repairs, Social Program administration have the greatest impact. People may not want to vote straight Democratic ticket, but Democrats have shown inclusiveness of all Americans, no matter race, color or creed. That is America!
Scott Morales
7:23 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Exactly what are the "skewed and ideas and ideals" you mention? Also, you left off a part of the last few lines, it should read: "...Democrats have shown inclusiveness of all Americans, no matter race, color or creed, so long as they agree with them. That is not America!"
Jane Aitken
11:40 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Yep vote Democrat if you want taxes on water, beer, campgrounds and bedrooms! These are actual taxes that were proposed by our Dem legislature in the 2006-2010 sessions. Plus, no overlooking that $800M deficit...
Dennis Taylor
2:47 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Even inclusiveness of people who are not American at the clear economic expense of those who are!!! That is the corrupt American way, but it is wrong and ultimately will put alot of current welfare recipients out in the streets. The Democrat who shelters an illegal Mexican is an enemy of his black supporter. Republicans need to help those here who are the legal children of legal parents, regardless of race. Sticky babies need to go back home and corrupt employers need to lose their wealth as a punishment for cheating legal workers out of a market wage.
Jane Aitken
11:38 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
More proof of states thinking to act on my 'conspiracy' of the VMT tax which I see the 'foot in mouth' crowd have not yet commented on. Yep it's a conspiracy alright, to tax the bajeebers out of all of us, from the nuts in the USA on behalf of the nuts at the UN.
When your appointees at the 'regional planning commissions' started measuring your emissions you can bet that's what it's for... taxing you for your carbon footprint.
Bay Area Drivers Could Be Tracked By GPS, Taxed Per Mile Driven « CBS San Francisco http://cbsloc.al/Pj7xBX
Democrats are inclusively offensive.
News Flash
5:47 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
Tea Partiers know who to vote for. It aint Obama.