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OP/ED: International Baccalaureate In The Merrimack Valley School District

The MVSD is implementing an expensive, unnecessary change in education philosophy, teaching methodology.

 

In today’s hectic and economically troubled world, families with young children barely have time to make sure homework is completed, dinner is served, baths are taken and clothes are laid out for the next day before bedtime. Most parents are fairly diligent about reading notices that come home from the school or signing permission slips for field trips. But what happens when a school district doesn’t inform parents that it is about to embark on an expensive, district-wide change in philosophy and teaching methodology?

This is what is happening in the Merrimack Valley School District. Several citizen watchdogs learned of the district’s application to the International Baccalaureate Organization  (IBO) in Geneva, Switzerland. IBO is a non-governmental organization  which is affiliated with  the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). The International Baccalaureate (IB) is not accountable to U.S. state or federal departments of education. IB offers three programs for children ages 3 to 19. These programs are called the Primary Years Programme (PYP), the Middle Years Programme (MYP) and the Diploma Programme (DP). The PYP and MYP are not curricula. They are simply values and attitudes administered through constructivist teaching methods. The problem with this is that the values and attitudes the children learn through IB, are not always reflective of traditional American values and attitudes.

After numerous requests by state Rep. Gregory Hill, R-Northfield, to MVSD’s superintendent, a meeting of the Curriculum Committee was held in Merrimack Valley High School’s library on Oct. 12. The district did not place a notice of this meeting on its website’s committee calendar, therefore no parents were present. The Curriculum Committee did however, make sure it packed the audience with pro-IB staff from its schools. Also in attendance were several other representatives including state Rep. Seth Cohn, R-Canterbury, and local N.H. Tea Party member Jane Aitken. I drove five hours from New York at the request of Aitken and Hill to attend this meeting. Jay Mathews of The Washington Post has called me, “the liveliest and most intelligent IB critic in the country.” I am also the administrator of the website Truth About IB.

Based on what little information I could glean from the MVSD website, I was able to determine that the district is intent on rolling out IB in all five elementary schools, the middle school and the high school. I prepared a cost analysis and timetable for the district which was a far cry from the district’s presentation which claimed it would only cost $135,000. My calculations show that it will cost between $3.1 and $3.7 Million. You can view the full .pdfs HERE. The committee had decided that the meeting would only last one hour. My address to the committee was repeatedly interrupted and to say I was treated rudely, is being polite. When I was able to coach the assistant superintendent into revealing that teachers had been flown to New Jersey and Georgia for IB training (in contrast to the district’s claim that all teachers had been IB trained in-house), the committee appeared quite miffed when Cohn vocalized his displeasure that the committee never mentioned out-of-state training in its presentation and only came clean after my persistent questioning.

IB has caused controversy and divided communities across the United States. It is still what should be considered a “fringe” program as there are only 743 DPs, 444 MYPs and 296 PYPs in the entire country. Since March 2009, a total of 74 U.S. schools have dropped IB due to its outrageous cost and lack of popularity. IB comes with a lot of political baggage which does not belong in American public schools.

I urge the parents and taxpayers of the Merrimack Valley School District to become informed and put a stop to this wasteful spending on an unproven, non-academic program which eliminates your choice for traditional academics without political indoctrination in your public schools. IB is the Emperor with no clothes. Please don’t let the fancy label fool you and short-change your child’s education.

Lisa McLoughlin can be reached at truthaboutib.com.

Related Topics: International Baccalaureate Program and Merrimack Valley School District

Diane Kepus

9:39 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Lisa is absolutely right! Outside of the disrespect for the taxpayers by the MV School Board - wait until the parents have their property taxes raised to cover the outrageous cost of this socialistic program. If you have never done so I encourage you to read the United nations Earth Charter under education. the IB program teaches by that with an underlying agenda to separate families, children are their own person in a process of indoctrination to create "worker" bees.

If you do not believe these statements you are free to check with the various school districts around the country "dumping" IB for cost and the grades got no better. No comparative reports have every been done to show effectiveness of this program except by IB or IB teachers. DUH! Let your voices be heard - this is NOT an American Education Program and you also need to VOTE EVERYONE ON YOUR SCHOOL BOARD OUT OF OFFICE.
www.educatingflorida.com

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ObserverNH

1:34 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Today is voting day and we are going to do just that hopefully. If not DEFUND the schools... never shall they get a raise if they continue with this nonsense of sending our money to the United Nations!

ForThePeople

10:36 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Okay, I see the hysteria, but I don't see a lot of actual discussion of what's so horrible. All I see are buzzwords, like "socialist." But you have to remember, the tea party also has an agenda. So how does that make you different? This article needs more facts.

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Danny Jeffrey

4:38 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I am an expert on facts! Last month I wrote about IB in a newsletter. Please click this link and the drop to the bottom of the page and read the Editorial
http://cassandra-report.blogspot.com/2011/09/news-events-12-september-2011.html

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Lisa McLoughlin

7:47 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

ForThePeople,

I will be happy to provide you with whatever facts you seek about the IB organization and its programs. If you are unable to locate the answers to your questions on my website, please feel free to e-mail me at info@truthaboutib.com

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ForThePeople

9:00 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Danny, I read your editorial. Still, sounds like more hysteria. I didn't see any facts that would lead me to believe there is "evil" (as you put it) afoot. Actually, you put progressives and communists in the same sentence, which are two separate concepts. You have to be careful of this overzealous nationalism because it approaches Fascism. I have done some googling on the topic, and I'm still not seeing where the downside is.

I recognize that you want to have greater control over your child's education, but so does everyone else. You have the opportunity to instill nationalistic belief systems, conservative belief systems, and the like in your own home. A public education, which by its very nature is both subsidized and shared (isn't that your greatest fear, a socialist education?), has to allow for all students to learn and follow their own path, to develop their natural talents, and to work with the world. I think that's a good thing. We don't live on an island. You can't pretend the world doesn't exist.

Again, I see the hysteria, I see a lot of nationalist words and flowery phrases from your point of view, but I'm not seeing actual facts as to what you object to being taught to children. I would actually be more concerned if schools were becoming overly nationalistic.

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Jane Dewey

9:03 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Danny, are you saying that promoting patriotism or nationalism is a "conservative" thing?? I have a feeling that there are many Democrats who would have an issue with that kind of thinking.

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John St Croix

11:25 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

What is horrible is MY tax dollars are being used to impose a POLITICAL agenda on the kids in public schools. THIS IS WRONG.

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ObserverNH

1:35 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

The only 'agenda' I see is to keep our tax dollars from being sent OUT of the country to buy an educational program from a POLITICAL ORGANIZATION that seeks to indoctrinate our kids into their way of thinking...

If teachers are not aware that UNESCO is a political organization or what its goals are then they are not smart enough to be teachers.

Lisa G.

10:47 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Where is the independent data that shows academic improvement with IB? Why wasn't consideration of IB brought to the attention of residents of Merrimack Valley and why have the true costs, and accurate information about teacher training been hidden (lied about)? I hope every taxpayer in Merrimack Valley asks the school board these questions. Parents, especially those who prioritize education, should pull their kids from these schools. UN schools promoting the UDHR and the Earth Charter. Thank you, Lisa McLoughlin, for educating people about the truth about IB.

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Jane Dewey

8:54 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT1eZUazGPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTI0osj4W9w
IB has divided the Bedford community as well.
Parents have expressed disappointment when they assumed their children would qualify for Ivy League acceptances when they applied to colleges and that simply did not happen.
We have residents writing letters to the local paper refusing to increase any taxes (including approving teacher raises) while this program is in the school.

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Tony Schinella

9:44 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

@MOM. Thanks for the footage of the Bedford school board. Quite interesting, thanks!

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Lisa McLoughlin

9:56 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

ForThePeople,

Our issue with IB in American public schools is the very fact that it promotes a transnational agenda and fails to support and educate American children regarding the freedoms and liberties we are blessed with as delineated in our U.S. Constitution. Schools supported by taxes from U.S. property owners should not come with political baggage of any sort, either left or right, they should be apolitical. As an educational "tool" of the UN, IB has agreed to integrate UN Millenium Goals into every aspect of its programs. While some may be okey dokey with everything the UN does, many of us are not and we are unwilling to allow UN values and attitudes to supersede our fundamental U.S. values in our public schools.

Those of us who object to IB have no issue with private academies purchasing the IB product and charging tuition to those who seek an education for their children which states it will create "global citizens".

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Jane Dewey

10:12 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

When I researched the IB web site, I was shocked to see so many Marxists listed as "good resources" for students and teachers. Go to the IB web site and search: Peter Singer.

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John St Croix

12:58 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Excellent reply and really it sums up the crux of the matter. Imagine how loudly ForThePeople would scream if a right-leaning agenda was brought into the schools? He's only OK with it because it's the UN/UNESCO's goals.

John St Croix

11:23 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

The agenda is to expose the UN in the schools brainwashing our best and brightest.
Why do school boards deny this? Exposing lies is not an agenda. We just want parents in our state to know what this program is really all about. These women are doing a great job from what I am reading. I would never have known this existed otherwise.

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ForThePeople

12:37 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I have asked for facts repeatedly, for *you* to write one single sentence of a fact that your child will be taught which you are against. What I'm hearing is xenophobia and nationalism. For the record, Karl Marx has some incredible ideas. Did communism fail in Russia? Yes, it did, but it doesn't mean you wash away his name from history. A student should be allowed to independently and actively query communism, wrestle with those ideas, discover the history, and interpret for themselves what they think of it. I think that's what IB is all about. When you start flag-waving and talking about the brainwashing of America's youth, you come across as a bunch of kooks. Brainwashing America's youth has gone on for decades; who decides what goes in your child's textbook? The major advantage of IB is that the child can learn the tools needed to think critically.

If communism and whatever else you are afraid of is so awful, surely critical thinking will arrive at the same conclusion you have. If the issue is murky or controversial, maybe your child might have a different idea. Forcing your belief system is just as much brainwashing. It's much more powerful if your child can discover it for themselves.

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John St Croix

1:32 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

So you are promoting Marxism? Will the kids be allowed to view Hitler's national socialism as good too? Are you crazy?

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John St Croix

1:00 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

You said "For the record, Karl Marx has some incredible ideas." And you wonder why we worry? What do you have fear of the Constitution? It's our gov't whether you like it or not. Why are donations of these booklets commonyly REFUSED while the UN is allowed to spew its influence on our kids by coloring the program with urges to activism? Go on and be brave, read about it on the company's website... www.ibo.org

ForThePeople

12:42 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

The only issue I heard in those YouTube videos (in between tears and hysterics), is the issue of AP classes. That issue has been going on since I was a kid in school years ago. The fact of the matter is, even without IB, you are not going to get enough teachers to take on that kind of a workload. Also, there just isn't enough students that will take on that kind of a workload either. It's going to cost money to implement those AP programs, it's going to take a lot of student interest to support them as well.

The idea of creating 33 AP programs in a high school- that's actually called college.

AP is college credit, IB is college preparation. Think of it that way. You can still get your course credits with the IB exams(depends on the school), and you can still have AP classes in those same schools. I don't see any situation where a student doesn't have the same choices they do now, the only difference is they are going to be taught information that has global relevance in addition to American relevance.

The best thing you can do is make sure that AP American history is taught in your school, if that's your biggest hangup. I'm sure if you compromised instead of approaching the school board like extremists you might actually get somewhere. Worst-case scenario, your children learn how to examine and critically think for themselves.

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John St Croix

1:33 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Unfortunately, 'thinking critically' is the euphemism for 'forget all you thought you knew' and listen to us. Why should any American school listen to a foreign NGO that is only interested in promoting its own goals like the MDG and UDHR???

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John St Croix

1:02 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Unfortunately, 'gobal relevance' here means "we are bad and have too much we must redistribute it to others who have less" and worse, they try to get the kids to DO something like support the ONE campaign or other foolishness. That's the only thing global about it.

ForThePeople

1:06 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I would like to add one more thing. The American Constitution and the original American values would be considered heinous to today's children. The original Constitution allowed for slavery(until 1865!), did not allow for the right to bear arms, contained no freedom of speech (that's our most favorite amendment!), and so on.

It was amended 27 times!

So to all of these tea party conservatives, these right-wing individuals that would like to "get back to the Constitution," remember this is not a holy document. This is a living document. That means it changes with the times. You should consider that a 28th amendment will appear someday, and it won't be "getting back," it will be "going forwards." That's why our founding fathers allowed for amendments in the first place.

The Right always forgets that part!

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John St Croix

1:34 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

SO now we know. YOu think the Constitutoin is heinous. Obviously since you don't respect the rights of these parents.

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Jane Dewey

1:53 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

So I guess you support tyranny?? That's what IB proposes.

Tax Dollars

1:20 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Opposing IB does not make one a bad parent or against proper education. The costs are exorbitant for this school district. I have spoken with 3 teachers at MV who all agree this program is overreaching. Why is the school board hiding costs. Why don't they mention the other hidden issues such as the grants which won't last forever that are part of the funding model. Why is the "other relevant information about IB" tab on the MV website a click to nowhere. I can't even get a copy of the contract they are using. This is just as much about the superintendent Mike Martin's legacy then anything else. Teacher student instruction is not a bad philosophy, IB is not the only way to build a students ability to think for themselves and make an inquiry. The bottom line is it is to expensive and the costs are being hidden. If you know anything about how MV does business this is par for the course for the Mike Martin and his school board. This is a great discussion and For the People makes some good points however folks don't let him stop you from venting your anger and frustration because he is a quick writer. The fix is in with this school board. When the question is the money is somewhere between 135K and 3 Million there are issues. The school board will dig in their heels on this one and make wild accusations that it is all for the children. Bow said no to this and there school is top notch. More legacy for Mr. Martin I suppose.

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ForThePeople

1:46 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I agree with this. Sure, if there are costs not being supported, if there are costs not being documented, if you feel this is just resume building for the school board, those are all valid objections. I would also encourage people to disagree with me and write their own opinions. I want there to be a diversity of opinions. Accusing me of Communism and being against the Constitution, it is fast approaching Godwin's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Which is of course, ridiculous.

My commentary is about critical thinking, content, and teaching methods- not about budget concerns, which I agree are valid.

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Tony Schinella

2:02 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

@Tax Dollars: And wasn't there just $800K-plus sliced from the budget this year?

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Lisa McLoughlin

2:39 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

ForThePeople,

May I inquire as to your age? I am getting the impression that you are a Generation Xer. Am I wrong? If anyone here had compared IB's programs to Hitler's educational propaganda system, I would have expected you to shout, "Godwin's Law! I win!"

You seem to be misapplying that favorite Liberal appellation to this discussion.

John St Croix

1:35 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

When you have a curriculum committee that claims to be using the methods already, claims they won't sign the mission, and won't use the IB materials, WHAT ARE THEY BUYING?

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Jane Dewey

1:56 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

A philosophy. The UN agenda.

Jane Dewey

1:52 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

This explains why IB is a failure: http://www.cogtech.usc.edu/publications/kirschner_Sweller_Clark.pdf
Teachers are called "facilitators" instead of Instructors.
Constructivism has been a proven failure in many independent studies but IB and IB supporters will never tell you that. Kids essentially have to "discover" knowledge. Inquiry. Yet as you will read in the study, this slowly puts students behind those in classes where the teacher actually teaches the students. They call IB rigorous. Why? Because students spend so much time doing what the teacher should be doing. It's "BUSY" work, it's not efficient. It's why so many students end up "burnt out" and why so many never complete the diploma program. They are up to midnight doing homework but it's busy work, not productive.

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John St Croix

2:49 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Does it ever occur to someone why a school would want a private NGO company to come to their school to push the UN agenda? Because after perusing the company's website (www.ibo.org) that is the impression I get. I'm not into conspiracy theories, but what I see there I DO NOT LIKE. Why must a foreign entity be consulted and paid to impose their agenda on the kids in MVSD?

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Lisa McLoughlin

2:52 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

The thing that bothers me the most about the way U.S. public school districts with "change agent" Superintendents that decide they NEED IB, is the stealth manner they go about implementing it. At the Curriculum Committee presentation, they proudly announced that 75% of the teachers were in favor of IB. But is that the truth? How did they arrive at that percentage? Was an anonymous survey taken? Apparently not, according to this e-mail I received:

..."read your article and can't agree more. There are many teachers across the district that DO NOT want this. A vote was taken awhile back; Elementary teachers had to stand to vote their opinion in front of administration. High school votes were in front of every administrator in the district. Why is the school district not taking notice of this?"

My answer, is because those who want IB at any cost, employ the Delphi Technique. This includes the use of intimidation, threats and humiliation. This is anti-American. It should not be tolerated. Our teaching professionals should be free to vote on a districtwide program without being intimidated in front of their peers or fear loss of employment if they disagree with the administration's agenda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFqabFNTsHY

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Jane Dewey

3:02 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I question the ability of the Administration at Merrimack Valley. Are they saying they cannot offer students a rigorous course of study without IB?? IF not, how come so many private schools are able to do it without the IB expense? I suspect you are paying your Superintendent 6 figures. Why is it they can't manage to offer a quality education without this expensive program?? That's where I'd begin. With the failures of the school. Maybe its time to replace the Administration with someone who can do the job you expect without having to pay extra for some political indoctrination program.

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Lisa McLoughlin

3:30 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Great questions MomwithAbrain. I asked the HS Principal how many AP courses they offer, and apparently, only 3! He seemed rather pleased to say they offered AP Calculus but his smile turned to a frown when I asked whether it was Calculus AB or BC and he replied, "AB".

It doesn't cost a dime to have HS teachers teach AP instead of general level subjects. I'm sure the staff in MVSD is well qualified to deliver the material.

Lisa McLoughlin

3:06 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

IB divides schools and communities. IB pits neighbor against neighbor, teacher against teacher and school against children of parents who speak out against the program. Stopping the implementation of IB in a public school is a battle, one of the ugliest, nastiest battles I have ever witnessed because it preys on children's minds and a parent's love of their child and country. IB is elitist, non-transparent, arrogant and proprietary. Tax Dollars hit the nail on the head when he said this is all about Mr. Martin's "legacy". Perhaps he will follow in the footsteps of IB change agent Dr. Sidney Freund of Greenwich, CT, who resigned 2 years into a 3 year contract rather than answer questions about IB from one of his own Board members.

Any program that cannot be honestly and openly presented and discussed should never be considered for implementation, let alone spending millions of tax dollars on it in these dire economic times.

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Jane Dewey

3:33 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Amazing how these overpaid Superintendents get away with complete failure then decide to BUY an expensive radical political program and charge the taxpayers even MORE money. Taxpayers in Merrimack Valley are being fleeced. I just wonder if they will take it or fight back like the parents in BOW did.

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Lisa McLoughlin

3:49 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Well, they fought back against IB in Incline Village, Nevada .... and won. They fought the expansion of IB in Greenwich, CT .... and won. IB has been defeated in parts of Texas, Wisconsin, California and obviously Bow, NH. I personally helped stop IB in Glen Cove and Garden City here on Long Island. They are fighting like mad in Stow, Ohio and I predict a win since the news just broke that the district's levy committee violated the state election laws. The fish stinks from the head and MVSD's Superintendent, to the best of my recollection, did not say a single word at the Oct. 12th meeting.

ForThePeople

7:45 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

A couple things. By definition, the Constitution *is* a living document because it can be amended- and it has been amended 27 times! There is no debate here.

Lastly, it looks to me like you are one of the numerous political action committees, with ties to the much-ridiculed tea party. Basically, you are a lobbyist Lisa. You have nothing to do with New Hampshire, and if I were to use your own xenophobic reasoning against you, I would say I don't want some New Yorker making decisions for New Hampshire's kids. But that would be ridiculous, right?

I don't get paid to go around to other towns and spread the gospel. I find your entire blog to be borderline fraudulent; you are coming on a local blog and advertising your political action committee without disclosing it.

I am not bought and sold... But are you:
http://truthaboutib.com/donate.html

I won't discuss with someone who may not even believe what they're saying.

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Jane Dewey

9:33 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

NO, it is not a living document you can read from this article Justice Antonin Scalia addresses the concept of the Constitution as a "living document" and why he is highly critical of those who refer to the Constitution as a "living document".

http://www.law.olemiss.edu/umlaw_mag/UMLAWSPR03/UMlaw/interpretation.htm

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John St Croix

1:08 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

This has nothing to do with any tea party and no one has ridiculed it except you. And yes it would be ridiculous to dismiss Lisa who was called here by NH residents when you are willing to let some Marxists from Geneva run your kid's schools. Bought and sold you have not proven and in fact were disproven so there!

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ObserverNH

1:43 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

So is it safe to assume that if some group who champions the Constitution were to offer a program of study for the students, you would oppose it vehemently because it contains a political agenda?

Why then is opposing our tax dollars being sent to a UN group that is not even inside our country so questionable? A group that is NOT a legitimate government but which seeks to be one via the UDHR?

Answer that one.

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ObserverNH

1:45 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Lisa is not a lobbyist but an individual who has several years experience in documenting the IB program. She works with others who have 10 or more years experience in it, many of them TEACHERS THEMSELVES.

She has asked for donations to cover the cost of the website and files accordingly. She does this on her own. So she isn't being paid to do anything for anyone but herself.

The teaparty has NO political action committees. Real teaparties, such as the one in NH, do NOT deal with money in any way. So you are wrong again.

And if someone from NY speaks up about IB, it's the same facts as hold in NH.. Somehow it's rather hypocritical to invite a program to brainwash kids from Geneva Switzerland, but NY is out of bounds, right?

John St Croix

7:56 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Oh pooh on the living document thing.

Lisa is not working for anyone: she's an individual citizen who simply knows this IB thing is a fraud. She is not a lobbyist, she is just trying to inform parents when their schools won't. She has no ties to any tea party OR ANY OTHER GROUP. (BTW, the teaparty is now very respected after seeing violent and filthy mobs from the left take to the streets and cause mayem...)

Everything on her site is true, and she did the work FREE.

To say she doesn't believe what she is saying is laughable at best.

Gee I wonder, if she got paid to do this, imagine!!!

Dream on 'for the people' who is a coward and won't say his/her real name.

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Lisa McLoughlin

9:55 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

When Tony gets a chance, I would appreciate him weighing in to assure ForThePeople that I received no compensation for this op-ed.

Thank you.

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Tony Schinella

10:44 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Hi all. For the record, Lisa was not paid by us for her op-ed. I happened to see some of the comments on Facebook by some parents and representatives of the community who had concerns about the issue. As well, some have stated that their letters and columns weren't being published by the Concord Monitor and other media outlets. After I saw this, I wrote a note and invited anyone who wanted to submit their opinions about the issue, to email me here and I would post it for them. Lisa was nice enough to email me her thoughts which I posted with minor edits. She was not compensated for her submission.

ForThePeople

8:10 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

My replies showing her ties are being deleted. But you can Google it for yourself.

She is paid. And apparently someone doesn't want you to know about it. So much for honesty.

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Tony Schinella

10:47 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

@ForThePeople: I don't know who is deleting your comments. This column was only posted on Concord NH Patch and I'm one of the only people with access to delete comments. I'll look into this and see what the problem is.

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John St Croix

12:54 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

What 'ties' are you talking about? She complimented someone in a tea party, which gets no money to pay anyone anything, and that's a 'tie'? OH so lemme see... you had a scholarship contest (which tells me you support kids) you paid for your website (a whopping $159) and you made a small donation to a cause. You don't get paid by anyone or anything else to do this...except for the parents and taxpayers who support your work, and in fact just started this about 6 months ago mostly to cover the cost of the website, which no offense, doesn't really look like a paid for 527 deal despite the excellent content. :)
A PAC doesn't mean some huge foundation is supporting you, it simply means you are asking for donations to support your work or cause. I think Lisa proved that you are wrong ForThePeople, and now the burden is on your to either apologize or admit, many people and teachers are upset about IB and know that the truth is being covered up.

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Lisa McLoughlin

10:45 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

LOL! My "ties"? This should be news to my husband of 35 years. What ties?

Liberal meltdowns are so sad. When imaginary posts containing imaginary "ties" of a suburban LI Mom (who happens to be a Conservative) .......disappear ....... it's time to assign a nursie to ForThePeople and take away his/her laptop.

Seriously, ForThePeople. Stop it. You're killing me .... LOLOLOLOL

(Uh oh. Black helicopters flying over my house and that dang red laser dot on my forehead ...... hehehehe ..... I'm not paranoid, they really ARE out to get me .......)

^ sarsasm intended for readers who don't know me

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Lisa McLoughlin

10:47 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

And I will be expecting a nice sized contribution to TAIB from ForThePeople for being such a doofus! ;-)

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ObserverNH

1:51 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

She is not paid by anyone and your links do not prove anything. Like many people who spend hours researching and making phone calls, she asked for donations to help run her website. I can vouch for that fact that. Other than the parents and taxpayers of NH who contribute to her research, many of whom ARE TEACHERS THEMSELVES in the IB communities, this is a grassroots effort to make parents aware of what is going on in their schools, since the school officials work so hard to hide information.

Asking for donations is not the same as being 'paid' by someone. And I checked -- she has absolutely NO ties to the tea party, except to note that some folks in the teaparty are aware of this and don't agree to sending their tax dollars meant for local education, to overseas entities because it is illegal for one thing.

John St Croix

8:17 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Lisa is a true patriot. She saw this program and what damage it was doing and does the research and shares it with people. No one pays her to do it. SHe is a committee of one.

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ForThePeople

8:22 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Isn't this nice, informing those poor parents out there... she even has a business around it! Look! A brochure!
truthaboutib.com/images/revised_IB_PYP_MYP_Brochure.pdf
"Lisa McLoughlin is available as an independent consultant to American public school districts considering the implementation of IB. "

John St Croix

8:29 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I've not be had at all. I know what this program is believe me. And I am grateful that someone does the research on it so throroughly.

Yes she is an 'independent' consultant meaning she has done the homework and is willing to share.

You got a problem with that? Or you don't believe in freedom of speech?

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ForThePeople

8:39 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I got a problem when yet another tea party group starts yet another political action committee to accomplish their agenda, complete with anonymous donors, comes to our local blog coming across as the local concerned parent, when in reality she is a lobbyist! I also don't like it when it looks to me that a person makes a business out of this kind of thing and doesn't have to pay taxes. I have no idea if it's a 527, but I'm guessing it might be considering she is a tea party person. I consider political action committees tax dodgers. Why do I have to pay taxes but they don't? How come you can make a living off of what amounts to public speaking about a political topic, and you don't have to pay money?

You really think she goes around haunting various city blogs around the country because she is a concerned citizen? The reason I looked her up is because it looked off to me, and I was right. You cannot deny she accepts money for this- the "donation" link is right on the page! I led you right to it! Really, you should continue to Google her, she has made quite a crusade of it.

John St Croix

8:31 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

ForThePeople is not only breaking the rules of Patch by not putting his/her real name on his/her posts, but doesn't believe people should be allowed to research this dastardly program that is being used to abuse our kids at MVSD!

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John St Croix

8:32 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

SO genius, who pays her?????? I'd love to know.

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John St Croix

8:32 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

This ought to be good... I know for a fact she's not being 'paid' so I can't wait to see who you come up with.

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John St Croix

8:33 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

To accuse her of being "someone who may not even believe what they're saying" is a ludicrous joke. She is one of MANY parents and taxpayers who are SICK of being duped by school boards who work by stealth....

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John St Croix

8:39 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Also, the budget isn't even the biggest problem. The problem is, they claimed they were not using the materials of the org, nor would they sign the mission statement. So WHAT I ask you are they buying??? Please, I await your answer past my bedtime.

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John St Croix

8:44 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

That is the second time I've asked that question and still no answer.

If you want to talk about critical thinking, content, and teaching methods... here goes.

Critical Thinking is TOK and is referenced here, no comment: http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/russell1.htm
Content: IB is not a curriculum, and they claim they are not using IBOs mateirals, but if you want to be shocked, go look at the materials here www.ibo.org which reflect the mission of the company
Methods are Constructivism and Inquiry which are DEVASTATINGLY inadequate for the slower learners, besides being impossible to teach.

Finally they are under SWISS LAW, so you have no recourse.

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ForThePeople

8:48 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I answered you. If you create seven different posts, I'm not replying to all of them. I also don't want to continue on with a discussion that is funded by a lobby. We are sitting here because someone's getting paid. I'm not helping them. I'm done with this thread. I'm sure you'll see me around. I also don't use my real name because I consider The Right armed and dangerous. Believe it or not, some conservatives would feel pride in that. Disturbing.

John St Croix

8:56 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Lisa is not a "tea party group" or doing this on behalf of any tea party group. She is one person who connected with other people like us who are looking in on this issue and don't like what we see. Since she shares her research she has ONLY RECENTLY asked for donations from people who agree with her. And she is not connected to any 527 or tea party group but learned of this program in her own community. As a taxpayer who cares what happens to our children, like the rest of us, she has every right to speak out and we have every right to make use of her research.

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John St Croix

8:58 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

OH good grief! I'm 80 years old.. armed and dangerous. What a demagogue! LOL Can you name the 'lobby' she is working for ? Nope because there isn't one. A lot of people have blogs and they ask for donations when they spend a lot of time doing the work... not unusual. She is not getting 'paid' to do anything. She does it on her own. She is not funded by a lobby and you therefore can't produce any evidence that's true.. You have lost the argument so you come up with this conspiracy theory. I find it disturbing that you would make a veiled accusation about 'armed and dangerous'... that's the leftwing for you... nuts!

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John St Croix

9:01 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

The only people who have been 'had' and don't know it are the MVSD people who have bought -- nothing. It's the school program about NOTHING, sort of like Seinfeld. HAHAH.

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Lisa McLoughlin

9:06 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Geez, can't a girl even watch the Republicans interrupt each other without having to set the record straight for our confused "ForThePeople"?

Dear ForThePeople,

My identity is no secret. You can even see my ugly mug. You seem to think you have "exposed" the anti-IB messenger as some sort of member of the 1% reaping in bucketloads of cash in order to lobby against IB. Your "research" is laughable.

Yes, I am "available" as an INDEPENDENT consultant. Do you see a fee attached to that statement? Yes, TAIB has a "donate" through Pay Pal button for those who wish to contribute to the cause of informing parents and taxpayers about IB. Yes, I have listed TAIB as a PAC because I have not gone through the process of becoming a 501(c)3 and must make my donors aware that any money they contribute is NOT tax deductible. In 2011, TAIB awarded its first $500 Scholarship. Our total donations for 2011 amounted to $745, out of which we paid the scholarship, $159 for the renewal of the website and donated $30 to the Wounded Warriors Project. TAIB had $56.54 remaining in the account to date. PACs which collect less than $1,000 are not required to file with the IRS.

Yes, I am a concerned citizen who receives daily Google alerts on International Baccalaureate and comment (usually from the comfort of my kitchen with a cup of coffee) where I feel awareness needs to be brought to the issue.

Now, muh dear, shall we discuss how much IBO spends on political lobbying? ;-)

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Jane Dewey

9:35 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

ForThePeople. You have yet to offer any solid arguments FOR IB. However there have been many legit arguments against it. Cost, Constructivism, the political agenda within the program, the fact that the school can't seem to offer a rigorous course of study without paying for it, etc. Your argument is all based on "getting the messenger". I don't care who these people are, they offer solid facts and you offer nothing but your personal opinion based on the fact you don't like them. <YAWN>

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Lisa McLoughlin

9:41 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Let me clarify my statement regarding IBO's spending on political lobbying. Next to "lobbying" on the IB or IB Fund, Inc 990 IRS returns, you will find a big fat zero. That's because IBO uses local IB "Foundations" and the children to do their political lobbying for them.
http://globalengage.ibo.org/eng/post/jubilee-usa
http://globalengage.ibo.org/eng/blogs/site-moderator/one-five-people-can-t-read-and-what-you-can-do-about-it
http://ibo.org/ibap/aboutibasiapacific/regionalcouncil/panayoulaparha.cfm

And while we're at it, may I point out that the Chair of the IB North America Board is a Vice President of the radical group the National Council of La Raza:

http://www.ibo.org/council/members/pompa/
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-its-tempting-to-bypass-congress-and-change-the-rules-on-my-own/

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Lisa McLoughlin

9:43 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

And thank you, John St. Croix, for your kind words of support.

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Tax Dollars

12:04 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

The MV School board recently cut 800K from the budget including 3 positions who recieved pink slips. No mention of IB cuts because they said at the outset no curriculum will be cut. A very clever way to spin it and and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The school board is just unbelievable. They should all be aware of our frustration. On the MVSD website the school board has posted their email addresses. Send them this link and tell them we are on to their self righteous and dishonest game. The principles are on their as well. Oh what the heck, I will include them here:
2011 - 2012 Members
Mark Hutchins- Chair~Salisbury
H - 648-2163
hutchinsconsulting@tds.net

Audrey Carter~ Vice-Chair - Penacook
H - 753-8037
cnacarter2@comcast.net

Jim Lavery - At Large
H - 753-8071
4laverys@gmail.com

Caroletta Alicea ~Boscawen
H - 796-6119
cmealicea@aol.com

Lorrie Carey~Boscawen
H - 796-2272
myflower@tds.net
Troy Cowan~Loudon
H - 783-4816
tlsdcowan@comcast.net

Laura Vincent~Loudon
H - 783-4849
rllac@comcast.net

William Renauld~Penacook
H - 753-8367
wrenauld@hopkintonschools.org

David Longnecker~Salisbury
H 648-2848

Normandie Blake~Webster
H - 648-2164
boswebvine@juno.com

Thomas Godfrey~Webster
H - 748-0075
tom@godfreyhsse.com

Pass on your concerns about this Mike Martin legacy boondoggle. A waste of our tax payer dollars and I do want whats best for my kids. This isn't it.

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Ted Sizer

6:20 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

What school Administrator says they need a program because according to NCLB the schools are in need of improvement. Then instead of looking to change up the curriculum/text books to make sure the students are receiving a quality education, instead opts for a values based program?

The district confirmed: NO text books from IB. NO curriculum from IB. However the kids are struggling in the core subjects.

Instead the teaching methods will change ?? Seriously?

If a student does not know how to multiply fractions, do you honestly think having them discover this concept will help?
Or do you think that helping him/her become "open minded" will help?

More fuzzy-feel-good nonsense that does nothing to make the student smarter.

Tax Dollars

12:10 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

To give you another idea of the smug, holier than thou attitude you will get, if I have a teenager who is in need of a part time job, I have a problem. There are not enough good jobs for teens these days. Unless I invoke some good old fashion nepotism. If you are on the school board your kid gets hired to work at the maintenance department for the summer. What do you think the maint crew is going to say no. Not with this spiteful crew. If you are a tax payer you are out of luck. They are an entitled bunch who see the job as getting perks for the family. Hey Mike Martin, what is the deal with the favoritism. Oh yeah, you also got your work week hours reduced at the same time you got a raise in pay. Nothing to see here folks.

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Lisa McLoughlin

7:43 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Tax Dollars,

Just curious, do School Board Trustees receive any sort of compensation in New Hampshire? Some states they do, some they don't.

Tax Dollars

8:42 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Hi Lisa,

Great work on this article. The MV School board is an all volunteer status, elected by the taxpayers. A problem with this district in my opinion is it is hard to get any kind of grass roots campaign going, there is a sort of apathy that surrounds the adults from the towns, all 6 of them. The Concord Monitor has been approached a number of times to do an article on this and they refuses for political reasons. They are to liberal minded to even attack this from a budget point of view. What really gets me is the condescending attitude that if you oppose IB, you are somehow a nut, or on the fringe. This will pass as more people become aware of what is going on; but that is a big if. I owe you a big thanks for pushing this editorial out, have you been to any school board meetings. I am trying to get the word out but it is a tricky issue as you know.

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Lisa McLoughlin

9:49 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Hey Tax Dollars,

Thank YOU! It is an unfortunate "phenomenon" throughout the U.S. that many public school boards seem to consist of individuals who run for the office for the sole purpose of either padding their own resume's, obtaining beneficial treatment for their own children or relatives and to rubber stamp the Superintendent's recommendations. The apathy you refer to is not unique to MVSD. As I said in the opening of my article, most parents are simply too busy to attend evening meetings on school nights. It's not that they're not interested or concerned. Another problem I have witnessed is that School Boards have taken to only meeting once a month, placing a bunch of agenda items under a consent agenda and limiting or even eliminating public comment. The arrogance and imperial air of these elected officials is very intimidating to many. Furthermore, parents are afraid of retribution against their own children in school if they dare to oppose something the district supports. This is not an empty claim, believe me, my own daughter suffered greatly at the hands of a vindictive Principal and BoE Trustees because of my vocal opposition to IB in my own district.

Unfortunately, I was too late to stop IB in Locust Valley. Once a school is authorized, it is nearly impossible to get rid of it as those who approved it refuse to admit they made a mistake. Fortunately, things are changing. People are waking up.

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Lisa McLoughlin

9:56 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

[cont.]

One Superintendent in Ohio claimed people wouldn't vote for the levy until they "feel the pain". Well guess what? Most of America is feeling the pain of out of control taxes and representatives who seem far more comfortable with tyranny than liberty.

I would highly recommend that the people of MVSD demand that the district place its check registry online. Additionally, some districts have opted for the transparency of live-streaming their Board meetings online. The technology to provide the public this transparency is free and available. The public is paying for the operation of these schools, the Superintendent et al are public employees, and the public has a right to know how its taxdollars are being spent and what agendas are being pushed.

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Tony Schinella

10:56 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I believe that Concord School District school board members are given $1,000 annual stipends for their time which, in the case of our board members, amounts to about 1 cent an hour I would guess, for their time. LOL!

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Lisa McLoughlin

11:46 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Tony,

Let's not forget that $1,000 buys a darn nice pair of Ferragamo shoes and Godiva chocolates. ;-)
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod138690017&parentId=cat13030763&masterId=cat13030734&index=16&isEditorial=false&cmCat=cat000000cat000141cat13030734cat13030763

http://www.godiva.com/product/chocolate-extravagance-tower-with-classic-ribbon/id/2220.gdv?SE_Section=Shop&SE_Category=156&lastCat=156

I don't know about you, but those things would make me happier .... LOL

In NY, the Trustees are volunteer, however they are able to sign on to the district's health insurance policy. I don't know if they pay the same scale as the teachers, or higher.

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Tony Schinella

4:10 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Personally, I don't think that elected officials should have to work for free or near free. While I appreciate all of the things our citizen Legislature and city councilors and board members do, in near voluntary positions, our current system here in New Hampshire limits the types of people who can serve. You either need to be affluent or have an affluent spouse, be retired, or own your own company so you can take time off when you want. That only represents a small segment of the population here and that is one of the problems with our systems here.
That said, I don't know if changing the system would improve our government. It would improve diversity of the types of other people who could afford to serve. But I don't know if the actual government would run better.

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Jane Dewey

5:26 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Our State Reps and Senators earn $200.00/year. It's supposed to be a "service" position. I have to disagree. I think the fact that our Federal politicians now see it as a career because of the compensation, we have big problems.

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Lisa McLoughlin

8:19 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I have to agree with MomWithABrain. I don't believe BoE trustees should receive compensation. While I agree with Tony that, in many cases, Boards consist of either PTA Moms, lawyers, retirees or people with very flexible work schedules, in our past election, we voted in our youngest Board member ever. At 25, he is a recent college grad looking for employment. I voted for him and he won the most votes and all 3 incumbents were voted out. He's also not an IB fan, despite being a registered Democrat. In Florida, I heard BoE Trustees earn $35,000! I know our 25 yr. old sure could use that kind of "stipend" to help pay back his college loans as he comes from a blue collar family, but he ran for the seat based on principle and as an alumni of the district, he knows the strengths and weaknesses of the system from the inside. I would encourage MORE of our young taxpayers to get involved in shaping the schools their future children may attend.

John St Croix

2:05 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I'm still waiting to hear what 'group' or '527' is behind you Lisa...

(I know there is none, you work alone with just your website and your internet friends but hey, let's see if ForThePeople can make up something out of nothing with his lobbyist conspiracy theory) LOL

Still waiting....

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Lisa McLoughlin

2:15 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

John St. Croix,

How many times have you and I been called "conspiracy theory" kooks by the Left? Too many to count. It is easily explained. Let's take a look at this brainwashed regurgitated talking point by ForThePeople:

"The major advantage of IB is that the child can learn the tools needed to think critically." ~FTP

Shall I dissect the cognitive dissonance of this statement? Or would you like the honors? ;-)

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Jon Suisham

2:22 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Lisa,
Your arguments are based purely on untested, unconfirmed and irrational personal opinions of the IB. Until you have facts or statistics that prove the IB is a "watchdog" and "controversy-causing" program, as you claim, then please stop with this nonsense.

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Lisa McLoughlin

3:06 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Jon Suisham,

I back up all of my "opinions" with facts, substantiated and rational. Please feel free to point out a specific fact that I have featured on www.truthaboutib.com and if you can provide EVIDENCE to contradict my fact(s), I will be more than happy to post it to the site with a correction. Until then, your whining is most unappealing.

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Jane Dewey

5:28 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Jon did you read through her web site? Or what she's posted on here?? It's a treasure of information. If IB is so great, you should have NO problem finding independent studies that confirm IB students outperform AP students. Guess what? You wont find any. You will find studies that show students educated in a Constructivist classroom fall behind their peers. I posted that in an earlier post. IB uses Constructivism. So there are independent studies that show this puts the students at a disadvantage. Now if you have something of substance you'd like to share that show why this expensive program is necessary, it would be nice to share it rather than attack the messenger.

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ObserverNH

1:20 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Jon: You are wrong. Her information on IB is based solely on information obtained DIRECTLY from the IBO organization itself. However, some proponents who want that information hidden from the public, will deny its existence.

Here is what students have to say about IB:

http://napavalleyregister.com/star/news/local/article_8b306270-4ae5-11e0-b742-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz1p0b9N4hT

The key here is two paragraphs:

“Certainly, IB encourages independent thought and analysis — but only if it results in a conclusion previously prescribed by the program,” students claim. “This serves to hinder true independent thought in students for fear of a failing grade.”

...and

"The struggles of IB have been attributed to a lack of understanding of IB among parents and students. But students say that after two years, “it has become painfully obvious that the more parents and students learn of the IB program, the less they want to be involved.”"

John St Croix

3:00 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Dear Jon,

Ge a clue.. All 'facts' come straight from this bogus company's website here: www.ibo.org There is a lot there, suggest you look at it sometime.

You will find clearly spelled out, the costs, the mission, and even get to see samples of the 'ahem' materials that they offer which MVSD claims they are not going to use.

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John St Croix

3:02 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

IB's claims of 'success' for children or better chances to enter Ivy League Colleges is self-laudatory, untested, and unconfirmed heresay, promoted by the company itself, which by the way, comes under the jurisdiciton of International law. It is controversial because 'critical thinking' is not defined here nor is it a commodity for which IB has the sole patent.

Let's face it, MVSD is another school district that has been 'busted'. We need to spread this info far and wide.

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Lisa McLoughlin

4:38 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I sincerely doubt we'll be hearing back from ForThePeople or Jon Suisham. ;-)

John St Croix

4:41 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

People like FTP are blowhards who like to make accusations without anything to back them up, and then they disappear as if to sheild themselves from the truth. Well, we know what the truth is... a bunch of people found each other thanks to the internet and got together to compare notes. Lisa happens to be talented at getting the facts and figures together so she has emerged and built her website. This happens all the time. This is a grassroots group who care about what is going on in education I can see that... the fact that you have teachers, parents, taxpayers, etc among you is a good cross section of people from all over the USA. These people cannot ALL be wrong.

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Bruce Currie

11:52 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

This opinion piece by Ms. McLoughlin is replete with distortions and errors of fact, both on the IB program itself, and in its account of how the Merrimack Valley School District has moved forward with the process of IB authorization for its schools.

The district has proceeded deliberately and openly during the past few years, as it looked to pro-actively respond to change necessitated by NCLB. The district's teachers determined that the International Baccalaureate program's inquiry approach would help address the problem of diminished engagement and interest in learning as students progressed through the grades.

Public meetings were held at every school in the district to explain the IB program and the district's keen interest in further exploration of the program's suitability.The bottom line is the program's emphasis on inquiry to spark student engagement will change how teachers teach, but have little effect on what they teach. The district's teachers will still teach to meet the standards of New Hampshire's Department of Education. They will at the same time strive to model and convey the values embodied in the IB Learner Profile. There is a strong emotional component to learning, which the profile addresses. IB learners strive to be: knowledgeable, thinkers, communicators, principled, open-minded, caring, risk-takers, balanced, and reflective. I will close with the observation that these values seem to be in short supply in your essay, and at this site.

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Lisa McLoughlin

7:49 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

Bruce,

I'll grant you that MVSD has proceeded "deliberately" during the past "few" years, but "openly"? You cannot make that claim based on what occurred on October 12th. In what was most likely the ONLY IB centered meeting held on MVSD grounds in which the "other side" of the IB story was even partially allowed to be aired, MVSD did not even bother to list the meeting on its website for parents to be made aware of. This is a fact. I took a screen shot of the page as evidence. There were no parents present. The link on MVSD's "IB page" to relevant documents lead you to "Page Not Found". According to MVSD's presentation, 75% of the teachers are "on board", yet a private e-mail I received revealed that the teachers were forced to vote by standing in front of the administration, a most intimidating tactic. May I recommend that MVSD utilize the sample staff survey used in Greenwich, CT to accurately assess teacher opinion:
http://www.greenwichschools.org/uploaded/district/Board_of_Education/meeting_materials/2011-12_meetings/10-6-11_meeting/10611_COLOR_GHS_IB_MYP_Report_w_CS.pdf

Purchasing IB has absolutely nothing to do with NCLB and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if NH opted for the Obama waiver from NCLB. Before I respond to your "emotional" defence of IB, let's first discuss MVSD's distorted representation of the cost of IB programmes. Would you agree that telling the public IB will only cost $135,000 when it will cost $3.1-3.7M is a distortion?

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Lisa McLoughlin

8:10 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

[cont.]

I think calling it a distortion is being far too kind. Indeed, I would call it a gross misrepresentation and fiscal reporting error. How about MVSD's claim that all of the teachers were IB trained "in-house"? It wasn't until I pressed your Asst. Supt. repeatedly on Level 2 training that she admitted to sending teachers to NJ and GA.

I am well aware that the IB PYP and MYP are not curricula. These programmes constitute 6/7 of what MVSD plans to buy. So what exactly is MVSD spending $3M on (and that's only the 5 year roll-out cost) according to you?

"The bottom line is the program's emphasis on inquiry to spark student engagement will change how teachers teach, but have little effect on what they teach...." ~BC

Right. So using the Constructivist method of teaching, teachers become "facilitators" and little children are supposed to "inquire" about topics that interest them. Never mind if they actually hit upon the NH state standards that are supposed to be delivered. They're "engaged" because they're doing whatever they want to do and aren't required to be right or wrong on a subject. Perhaps this is the reason there are absolutely no reports documenting actual improvement in student academic achievement for the PYP and MYP?

IB preys on the "emotional component to learning". So does psychological warfare. This is why your defence of the IB Learner Profile and accusation that my essay is in "short supply" of those values is so hypocritical.

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Tony Schinella

8:11 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

@Bruce: Thanks for jumping into the conversation. It's always good to have differing viewpoints on the issues of the day. The site has only been open since mid-June, so we're still growing. I would invite you to come back whenever you like or, if you're interested in blogging, we'd be happy to have you.
However, I would challenge your assertion that somehow this site and its readers are not "knowledgeable, thinkers, communicators, principled, open-minded, caring, risk-takers, balanced, and reflective." It really depends on how you look at it.
Part of being knowledgeable, a true thinker, principled, really open-minded instead of an illusion of having one, caring for others, taking risks, and communicating, is acceptance and exposure to those things you might not otherwise agree with and those ideas which might be outside of your own comfort zone. If you only read what you believe in, you never learn what others think. As well, censoring those people who have differing views - or dismissing them outright because you don't agree - doesn't really reflect the qualities that the IB program and a free society is striving for. We're not in the censorship business here; we're in the freedom business.

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Lisa McLoughlin

8:26 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

[cont. pt. 3]

Knowledgeable - I have spent 7 years researching IB. Because of my research, I am considered one of the most knowledgeable lay persons on the planet regarding IB regulations, components, history, fees and affiliations.

Thinkers - Unfortunately, I think about this globalist program daily and how it is ruining America's public schools

Communicators - Over the past 3 years, I have communicated with parents and students from all over the United States and around the world about IB via e-mail and telephone and through message boards on the Internet. I have worked tirelessly to provide the most up to date information about the IB product on my website without any compensation whatsoever.

Principled - I am highly principled. I am honest and forthright. I stand for fundamental American principles and will correct any fact or representation on my website if provided with contrary evidence. I have YET to receive such evidence from a single IB supporter.

Open-minded - The very fact that I reject IB's pablum and have independently researched IB for years instead of simply accepting IB's slick marketing without question proves that I am very open-minded.

Caring - Would I really subject myself to death threats, rude curse-laden e-mails and public humiliation if I didn't care DEEPLY about the children and the future of American public schools?

Risk-takers - How can you claim I am not a risk-taker? Going up against a global org is no small risk.

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Lisa McLoughlin

8:28 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

[cont. pt 4]

Balanced - I AM the balance to IB's propaganda

Reflective - I just reflected on your contribution to this thread, did I not? ;-)

Regards,
Lisa

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John St Croix

11:12 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

Excuse me but since when does a competent teacher need to buy an expensive program from a foreign country's NGO, and NGO with a distinct mission, in order to us 'inquiry' in their lesson plans? Or to learn how to employ constructivism, if you think that this method even works?

The 'emotional' stuff is just what we object to -- you are doing nothing but infusing the UN's goals into the program to indoctrinate the children into thinking the UN's way, period. It's the Emperor's New Clothes and no one wants to address that.

Besides, you are flat out lying if you are claiming the committee did not tell the meeting attendees they are NOT signing the mission statement of IB, NOT using their materials. (Signing the mission is REQUIRED)

So once again I ask you, WHAT ARE they buying?

I am open minded but I object to my tax dollars being used to pay for the UN to come in and politicize my child's elementary school education -- something that should mostly be about SKILLS like reading, writing, spelling, math, etc. and NOT learning how to be 'global citizens' who 'take action' on the world's problems. This could mean anything from collecting money for the AIDS victims in Africa or protesting oil companies in the streets. If kids want to do that, it should be done OUTSIDE the school environment.

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Jane Dewey

1:02 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

Bruce, did you read the study I posted above?? Inquiry based ed is Constructivism which has proven over and over to put students at a DISadvantage. There are MANY independent studies that show this. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090326114415.htm

Can you imagine sending a student to Med school and expecting them to INQUIRE on how to learn medicine?? Do you not see the flaws in that type of Pedagogy?
http://www.cogtech.usc.edu/publications/kirschner_Sweller_Clark.pdf Read the studies. There are plenty out there.

If you truly want to be transparent about this program, I would suggest sharing these studies with the parents and letting them know that IB uses this pedagogy in the classroom. Teachers are facilitators, not instructors. Students to busy work but not work that is efficient or productive. I have YET to see any school who implements IB share these studies with parents. What are they afraid of?? After all, IB is supposed to get you to think critically yet the schools wont share this info with parents. Isn't that a bit ironic?

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ObserverNH

1:23 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Mr Currie is a teacher who, in the effort to keep his job, will 'go along to get along' with just about any cockamamie program they toss at him.. even a program from out of the country.

People have been warning MVSD about IB since 2009 and the information has been squashed or hidden because the Monitor refused to publish it or the school officials hid it from the taxpayers who had NO IDEA about the program.

Come clean Mr. Currie... just because you happen agree with the 'political values' of this program, doesn't mean schools should be allowed to push it on our kids.

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FanOfTruth

5:51 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Bruce, how refreshing to see factual information about MV and its exploration of IB. I would like to clarify another inaccuracy. Lisa's article pretends to expose the District for being dishonest about the teacher training that was provided. I'm not sure if she misinterpreted or is distorting this information. All MVSD employees received level 1 training at their schools. As the exploration and movement toward implementation progressed, a small group of teachers participated in level 2 training (I believe this was in 2010). IB workshops are held all over the world, but many different workshops are offered at different times of the year. The District would have been limited in options for where to get the specific workshop that would be appropriate for the teachers participating. The participants went to the nearest workshop. Some traveled by train (those who went to New Jersey), others had to fly due to the distance (out of the northeast).

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Ted Sizer

6:13 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Training for what? How to be a facilitator? Do you honestly think that's going to offer students academic content they need?
Parents at the budget meeting discussed the lack of basic knowledge in the core subjects. I think one mom referred to the lack of math facts.
I think the NECAP scores SCREAM >>>PROBLEM!
Yet the solution is to bring in a values based program instead of one grounded in academic excellence?
You change the teaching methods instead of looking at your text books and curriculum to see if that needs to be changed?
You opt for a teacher training session on pedagogy instead of academic content?

I hope the good people of MVSD not only throw this program out when it fails these students, I hope they through out the Administrators too.

Residents will be watching and when the tax burden shifts to them and they see their kids are still devoid of basic skills in math, reading and grammar, my hope is they will not only vote with their wallets, but finally remove the fuzzy Administrators who keep avoiding the real problems that exist in this district.

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Katie Bell

7:59 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Dear FanofTruth,

Perhaps you need to re-read Ms. McLoughlin's op-ed again before making accusations that she "distorted information".

Ms. McLoughlin said:

"When I was able to coach the assistant superintendent into revealing that teachers had been flown to New Jersey and Georgia for IB training (in contrast to the district’s claim that all teachers had been IB trained in-house) ..... "

MVSD's presentation claimed ALL of IB's staff development was performed "in house". It wasn't until Ms. McLoughlin, because of her in-depth knowledge of IB's three Levels of offered training, was able to coax the district's admission of out-of-state IB Level 2 training. Personally, I don't care if one or 30 members of MVSD staff traveled by train, plane or pony-express, MVSD did NOT make that information public and deliberately misrepresented the cost and nature of IB staff development.

John St Croix

11:20 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

I find it interesting that MVSD has DELETED all relevant documents pertaining to IB that were ONCE ON THEIR WEBSITE. What is going on and why the attempt to hide things? They do have a link to the video 'Shift Happens' -- just watch that video and you will get the CREEPS I assure you.

The whole basis of it is the usual ideas of US being too 'supreme' which are put out there to support the UN's one-world government philosophy of redistribution of the wealth, and DEVOLUTION OF WESTERN CULTURE, NOTHING MORE.

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John St Croix

11:24 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

The IB program talks a good game, but when it comes to investigating THEM, they will have none of that. CENSORSHIP is what I see happening whenever Lisa or an informed parent tries to question anything. They are ridiculed, made fun of, told they are the 'only one' and brought to meetings where they are DELPHIED.

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Lisa McLoughlin

11:44 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

@Tony,

Great points! May I respectfully expand on one of them?

"As well, censoring those people who have differing views - or dismissing them outright because you don't agree - doesn't really reflect the qualities that the IB program and a free society is striving for."

"As well, censoring those people who have differing views - or dismissing them outright because you don't agree - doesn't really reflect the qualities that the IB program CLAIMS it is striving for, or the values and qualities a free American society really is striving for."

;-)

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Jane Dewey

12:45 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

I've posted logical critiques on the IB web site, only to have them remove my comments. I find it ironic that the program claims to teach kids to look critically at the issues they present in the classroom, yet if you critique the program itself, they refuse to allow those comments to be read.

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Lisa McLoughlin

12:57 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

That's right MOMwithAbrain! IB allegedly teaches "inquiry", but God forbid if anyone should dare to "inquire" about the IB organization or its programs, they are immediately labeled a heretic and banished! LOL!

John St Croix

1:07 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

Good points Lisa and "Mom". I find this has been true of LOTS of places all over the country -- you are not allowed to 'inquire' about IB!!! It might reveal things that are 'unthinkable'.

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John St Croix

1:09 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

Per the IB the goal of IB is to "develop attitudes," and get the students to "take action."
http://www.ibo.org/pyp/curriculum/index.cfm

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Frank DiGeorge

11:15 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

The vice principal of Reno High explains how AP is superior to IB for college credit. Please re-post wherever you can under your own account and/or in different locations, as there is some pressure to remove this video from the web forever. Burn it onto a DVD if you can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBP3Yx-kDAI

The original has already been removed from the web,
http://www.rhshuskies.com/media/apvib.m4v

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Bruce Currie

9:06 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Lisa McLoughlin's opinion piece, and her follow up comments to my post, are distortions of the facts on both IB and on MVSD. Her figures on the cost of IB to MVSD could have been pulled from a hat--they bear little or no relationship whatsoever to what MVSD will pay. The district has long been a frugal one, and were those figures even remotely accurate, the district would never have pursued the IB initiative.

McLoughlin's comments regarding teacher "intimidation" when surveyed regarding opinion on IB are patently false. They would be laughable if they weren't intentionally malicious. Indeed, McLoughlin's intent in showing up, unannounced, at the meeting between the school board and Rep. Hill, complete with video camera, was to attempt a "gotcha moment". Her modus operandi was to present her bogus "facts and figures" on IB, which are really a melange of cherry-picked factoids and far-right opinions, and snow the board (and the public) with an avalanche of contrary data on everything from claims about the costs of the program, to the alleged evils of "constructivism, to the supposed un-American essence of the program. Her claims regarding IB and the MVSD are baseless and represent a scurrilous attempt to prevent the adoption of a sound educational program, one that will better prepare the district's students for the 21st century, for reasons of politics and for her own self-aggrandizement.

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John St Croix

9:48 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

"21st century" another mindless buzzword from the UN's grab bag of buzzwords.. truly laughable. This is not about your pitiful school but about sparing our children from this nonsense. It's practically child abuse.

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John St Croix

9:50 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Your board members, assuming you were listening, explained to Lisa that this is NOT an academic program... they would NOT sign the mission statement, and they would NOT use IB materials. SO -- why can't you address the simple question of WHAT ARE YOU IN FACT BUYING from IBO? Please, I am still wondering as is the rest of the world.

The fact that these anomalies are never addressed is very troubling Mr Currie.. very troubling.

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ObserverNH

1:28 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Is this why teachers appealed to STATE REPS for help? Why were they afraid to speak up on their own?

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Ted Sizer

6:05 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Bruce here is the problem you have in MVSD and in other districts that have implemented IB: LACK of TRANSPARENCY.
How does this happen? I suspect it's because the school is never really put under a microscope in this way when it comes to other decisions it's made.

When you bring in a controversial program like IB that is not based on academic excellence but on values clarification, you will most certainly create an uproar among a segment of your population.

A school in Keene brought in a goodie bag of condoms/lubricant and a piece of candy about a year ago and many parents were in outraged.

A different situation, but needless to say, if you are going to walk into a controversial program like IB, you should have expected public backlash.

IF you were not prepared then I suspect you were not fully informed as most in these districts are asleep.

They simply lap up what's being fed to them by those seeking to make money off of the district, and never really do the homework to find out why it's controversial and why other districts have dropped it.

The school is "in need of improvement". Anyone who thinks that changing teaching methods and offering values education is a recipe for improving academic knowledge, needs to know their job is on the line.

When these kids do not produce the results based on more "feel good/fuzzy" nonsense in the classroom, your Superintendent and the rest need to be sent to the unemployment line.

John St Croix

9:47 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Well Mr Currie you are wrong. I happen to know teachers from MVSD were who requested that the reps and Lisa and other teacher whistleblowers (who I know where there) had that meeting. So you are wrong. There is no aggrandizement here, and your idea that this is some sort of academic improvement program can be disproven by merely perusing the www.ibo.org website which is CLEARLY a political agenda. Either you are a dupe, or you willingly are going along with it.

Teachers cannot speak out because they fear for their jobs.

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Bruce Currie

11:14 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

You may choose to believe "21st century" is a "mindless buzzword from the UN", but like it or not, the 21st century is already a decade old, and educators everywhere are grappling with how best to prepare students for the challenges of living in this century:
http://www.education.nh.gov/innovations/redefining_education.htm
In the 21st century, the world will be an increasingly crowded one, in which resource scarcity and climate change are likely to play a far more prominent role than international terrorism--no matter what you choose to believe. That you can so easily discern a political agenda to which you are hostile, "by merely perusing" the IB website, is a testament to your own political agenda, rather than the facts.

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Jane Dewey

9:46 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Bruce, our kids do not know grammar, basic math, science, etc. and you think they will be prepared for 21st Century skills??? Do you know how many of our students need remedial classes when they enter college? I have to laugh at those who think they can teach 21st Century skills but refuse to acknowledge they don't have 20th Century skills to begin with. Read this: http://commoncore.org/p21.php This will explain why students NEED basic skills. Without them, 21st century skills are meaningless.

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ObserverNH

1:29 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

You keep referring to the IB as able to "better prepare the district's students for the 21st century" but no one has ever been able to explain what that means in concrete terms. You IB proponents are really good at throwing around the UNESCO talking points but they are meaningless.

If by this you mean 'global warming' that is a political view that is not widely accepted as fact and thus is about as sound to teach as creationism.

Frank DiGeorge

11:35 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Bruce,
If the goal is to prepare students for the 21st century teach them as much science and math as you can skip the touchy feely IBS. While you are at it you may want to teach them Mandarin.

Any programme who's stated goal is to "develope attitudes" and get the students to "take action" does not belong in the classroom,
http://www.ibo.org/pyp/curriculum/index.cfm
...it dosn't matter if it is the UN's ideology or Rush Limbaugh's.

Keep ALL ideology out of the classroom, that is the parents job, not yours or the districts.

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ObserverNH

1:31 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

Well said Frank! Math is math and science is science and languages are the same, IB or not.... but with IB you get 'values and attitudes' that are aligned with "redistribution of the wealth to foreign countries and open immigration" which of course is in line with one world government.

John St Croix

11:55 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Bruce -- you apparently have either not read the IBO website or you are complicit with this agenda. I want my kids taught SKILLS. There is no political agenda in that. IB teaches them, as Frank said, to latch on to global issues, many of which they have little understanding at that age, and become ACTIVISTS. I call that political activism. None of your claims about NOT wanting that being a political agenda are valid...

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John St Croix

11:57 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

The facade of the IB is that it somehow prepares students for the things that MOM mentioned.. but it doesn't. It clearly states its agenda is to SUPPORT THE MISSION OF THE UN, and UNESCO. How is that not political? Why should my kid have to be subject to THAT?

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Lisa McLoughlin

3:05 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Mr. Currie,

Did you bother to click on the IBO fee schedule links? No, I didn't think so. You would rather rant and name-call. My cost projection for a full IB roll-out in MVCSD is documented. If you are to claiming that my numbers are "bogus", then you are also declaring IBO's website to be "bogus". Uh oh, that's a bit of a dilemma for you, no?

I find your support for IB as representative of a "21st century" education rather laughable when the former Director General of IBO, George Walker, stated the following about IB back in 2005:

http://www.ibo.org/dg/emeritus/speeches/documents/ibna_jul05.pdf

"We are beginning to look just a little old-fashioned, just a little inflexible, just a little
20th rather than 21st century."

Here it is, almost 2012, and IBO still hasn't managed to get that "open international IB college" online and operational. IBO still clings to its draconian, elitist, proprietary structure. It does not belong in American public schools. Period.

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John St Croix

3:20 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Interesting that Bruce is given the proof, right from the source (the IB org itself) and yet, that's our own political agenda? Where did you want the evidence to come from? It's their material not ours... take your hands away from your eyes please.

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John St Croix

3:35 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

The Concord Monitor does fluff pieces on this bogus program. What do they think now that it has been revealed on PATCH that they won't use the program's materials or sign their mission???? What are they buying? http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/260492/school-of-how-to-learning

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Lisa McLoughlin

8:00 pm on Tuesday, November 8, 2011

$9,000 a year ..... LMAO!

well, I guess when 2 x 7 doesn't matter anymore, 7 x the IB annual fee for each of the 7 schools MVCSD plans to shove IB into don't matter either, eh?

The Concord Monitor should be ashamed of itself. Where is the journalistic balance? The paper just takes martin's word for it? Lazy!

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John St Croix

9:47 pm on Wednesday, November 16, 2011

No answer from Bruce, because you can't justify buying a pet rock I guess.

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Jane Dewey

10:37 am on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

UH OH, looks like radical political indoctrination courtesy the IB program.

ObserverNH

1:59 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

One more for Mr. Currie: You said "The bottom line is the program's emphasis on inquiry to spark student engagement will change how teachers teach, but have little effect on what they teach."

I beg to differ. It most certainly does change what they are teaching. Teachers I talk to do not remember having to ask kids to take a stand on world issues and then ACT ON THEM! This is purely political! Also, they never had to check ATTITUDES on a checklist, bi-weekly, to see if the kids are conforming to the UN values. (I have seen graphic evidence of this in a 3rd grade classroom)

Mr. Currie also states (while maintaining they won't change what they teach): "They will at the same time strive to model and convey the values embodied in the IB Learner Profile."

Yes indeed, those are the UNESCO/UN values embodied in IB.

Only now does he admit this is not purely academic: "There is a strong emotional component to learning, which the profile addresses. IB learners strive to be: knowledgeable, thinkers, communicators, principled, open-minded, caring, risk-takers, balanced, and reflective. I will close with the observation that these values seem to be in short supply in your essay, and at this site."

And thus is the IB program -- their way or the highway. If you do not agree, you are somehow not "knowledgeable, thinkers, communicators, principled, open-minded, caring, risk-takers, balanced, and reflective."

IB proponents are hypocrites.

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Ted Sizer

6:47 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

This is what the Superintendent is avoiding parents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tr1qee-bTZI
This is your problem, yet they are going to spend $200k/year on more feel-good-fuzzy values adjusting materials instead of dealing with the last bad decision made.

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Ted Sizer

7:02 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012

This will also completely debunk the fuzzy idea that "inquiry" based education is a way to improve academic knowledge: http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/spring2012/Clark.pdf
Posted in the American Educator.

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ObserverNH

8:05 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012

If you want to see what the purpose of IB is, just look at the content as described by IB proponents themselves. Therefore if you are picky about your sources, you will have to now refute what they are saying... can you?

http://www.mvsd-ib.org/ib/2012/03/20/political-content-of-ib-explained/

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Jane Aitken

1:04 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012

The facts are nicely summed up here for those of you who still have 'fear of the Constitutional republic' http://bedford-nh.patch.com/blog_posts/dissecting-ib-what-most-opponents-of-hb-1403-overlook

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