Liberty Groups Rail Against Romney
Activists say GOP candidate doesn't believe in their values.
About 25 members and activists of assorted Tea Party organizations in New Hampshire held a counter-demonstration on Sunday, before the appearance of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, stating that while the candidate was speaking at the Tea Party Express rally in Concord, they did not consider him a member of the movement.
Jerry DeLemus, of the Granite State Patriots Liberty PAC, said that neither the candidate nor campaign representatives have met with activists in New Hampshire, despite their requests and invitations.
“A photo op is just that, a photo op,” he said. “I can have my picture taken outside the Supreme Court and that doesn’t make me a Supreme Court justice.”
DeLemus said despite his voting record not being in line with Tea Party activists, they would still like to talk to Romney about why he made the decisions he made while governor.
Tim Carter, a leader within the Lakes Region Tea Party group, meets right near Romney’s summer home in Wolfeboro, said that Romney's record doesn't compare to what the Founding Fathers would want, especially when it comes to the health care plan approved in Massachusetts.
"I think (the Founders) would have some tough questions for Mitt," he said.
Andrew Hemingway, the chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus of New Hampshire, said Romney’s values were not the Tea Party’s values.
“The Tea Party stands for some very clear, very well defined, very well-articulated over time principles and values,” he said. “They start with a limited government, individual responsibilities, and free markets. Governor Romney, as governor of Massachusetts, his record stands in direct opposition of those principles.”
Hemingway pointed to RomneyCare in Massachusetts, the health care plan which eventually led to ObamaCare nationally, and their individual mandates to buy insurance as well as added governmental expenses brought on by both plans as violations of the principles. He stated that Romney also raised fees and created more regulations as governor.
“The Tea Party stands in direct of opposition to Mitt Romney’s record,” he said.
Before the demonstration, Jackie Bodnar, a representative of FreedomWorks, handed out a seven-page memo outlining problems with Romney’s multiple political positions during his gubernatorial time in Massachusetts and his 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns.
Rick Watrous
9:26 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
The Romney/Tea Party event at Rollins Park featured a curious mix of Tea Partiers for Romney and fervently against Romney.
Tony Schinella
9:42 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
Indeed. This story, which I whipped together quickly, happened before the Tea Party Express started up. I'll have another story up soon.
Marc Leandro
11:31 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
Unbelievably shoddy journalism in using the phrase - Liberty groups - in this headline. Put that kind of sentiment in quotes, denoting that this is how they refer to themselves rather than how an ostensibly objective jornalist/editor refers to them, or hand in your press credentials, please.
Tony Schinella
11:39 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
Thanks for the note Marc. It's not proper style to do what you suggest in a headline, putting quotes around words because it is based on how the people in the story describe themselves. As well, there is a limited amount of words one can put in a headline. This is more than appropriate use of the words and a proper headline, despite your protestations.
Ben
8:02 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
I'm a journalist and I know that headlines typically aren't written by the reporters that write the story. Headlines often are written at the copy desk and are chosen in large measure by the space available and which words in the headline's typestyle will fit into that space. I also understand that headlines often are jotted at the last minute as a story is being copy-edited on its way to the typesetting and layout people. Those are some of the reasons why headlines, like this one, often aren't well enough thought out. I've seen it on stories I've written and, recently, in one that I was the main source for.
e. edelman
2:20 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
It's still shoddy reporting. Biased, and by your own admission, written before the Tea Party Express even showed up. How could you even think to do that? Where's the re-write? As a journalist, you are responsible, through patch, to bring facts, not opinion, to your readers.
Marc Leandro
11:56 pm on Sunday, September 4, 2011
Fair enough, however, using the phrase 'Liberty groups' reads very much like an endorsement, given the generally positive feelings people tend to have about concept as benign as "liberty". I'm not suggesting you out them as mouth-breathing, racist misappropriators of history, that would be unfair. But maybe just "Tea Party Groups..." would have done the trick without leaving yourself open to a suggestion of bias.
Eve
12:52 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
I'm not a member of the Tea Party. I'm not a member of any "Liberty" group or PAC. I think your comment is a bit over-the-top. The author wrote "Liberty" because that's the name of the PAC: "LIBERTY." Lighten up.
ItBeMe
8:59 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Marc, get a life.
Tony Schinella
4:06 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
First, the sources described themselves as part of liberty groups. If you watch the videos, you can hear a bit of that.
Second, the word "liberty" is featured in two of the four groups in attendance (there may have been other groups represented, I only know of four). I mentioned this before.
Third, none of the people involved in this story said anything racist or anything else. Their points were about economics and not liking what Romney has represented with his voting record and previous statements. I simply reported on what was said and done. I truly don't see how writing what happened at a protest or demonstration has any suggestion of bias. In fact, it's a bit astounding actually.
Marc Leandro
4:13 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I think a major issue in journalism today is reporters parroting whateber it is that groups want them to parrot. Because they call themselves "liberty groups" is in no way sufficient to veer from the common usage of "Tea Partiers" . No doubt you are not bound by the AP or NYT style guides, but if you were this would be an absolute no-brainer, your shock notwithstanding.
Tony Schinella
4:49 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Thanks Marc for the note. I appreciate it. It's been interesting reading the comments today.
The major issue really isn't journalists or journalism. It's the hyper-partisan, hypersensitivity to everything that is going on in politics right now. In many ways, it has always been this way since there have always been people who have some entrenched interest - often financial - to who wins the campaigns every two years. Just about anyone can scream bias for any reason these days, on the right or the left.
The process of reporting what happens in a news story is a simple one: The writer shows up and reports what happened. Yes, it is that simple. This was not an analysis piece. It wasn’t a Sunday Times 4,000-word feature or spotlight investigation. It was short story about a counter-demonstration at a rally.
Yes, there are style issues involved (we use AP, with some tweaks here and there). Yes, there are limitations to the software. But this one was pretty straight. You don’t like the headline. I’m sorry for that. But there wasn’t and isn’t any bias in this story.
Marc Leandro
4:54 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I appreciate that. And honestly was not trying to make it a federal case - really an off-hand comment that you happened to respond to directly so it kept going. And yes, I agree about all the hyper-partisanship. Personally, I think a false equivalency trope is out there in terms of there being equal responsibility for it; I would say, and easily, that it is the Right. But obviously that's a larger, much different talk. best to you
Gerry Rempel
12:07 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Get that gubment out of my Medicare
MAngeline
12:10 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
I am not a Romney supporter, but God knows the man is alot smarter than the Republican alternatives. Palin, Perry and Bachmann don't have half a brain if you put all of them together. It's all ideology and rhetoric.
Mae Cole
12:36 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
What is the problem here! They are all white people who drink tea and they all hate middle class/poor people...let's not for get they all hate the President so what is the problem...Oh did they find out that they were also poor people!!!
ItBeMe
9:01 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
The race card strikes again! This is really getting old.
Prof Quincy A. Wagstaff
9:53 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
They are nothing but the racist fringe of the GOP.
Marc Leandro
3:08 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
@ItBeMe Do you have even the vaguest notion of what "playing the race card" is? This person is pointing out that many of (presumably) your ilk possess racist notions, something which if you scan a crowd at a 'Bagger event becomes overwhelmingly clear instantaneously. "Playing the race card" is when a minority uses his own racial status to try to curry favor, etc. Just because race is mentioned doesn't mean it isn't valid. For further lessons in argumentation, pick up a book on rhetoric...
Kay Ojen
7:43 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
@ItBeMe the race card is a fact. Obama is hated because he represents what the US is gonna become...non-white. Lots of folks hate that... can't stomach that.
I know a good number of people who are racists. You don't?
Tony Schinella
12:42 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Thanks for the note Marc. First, Andrew's group is the Liberty Caucus; one of the other speakers repeatedly described his assertion that Romney and his campaign officials were not meeting with "Liberty groups" around the state. I'm actually mystified that paraphrasing speakers would somehow be construed as bias. I'll have to think more about that one.
K
5:51 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Hello Mr. Winghunter:
Homework for you. Political conservatism as motivated social cognition.
Jost, John T.; Glaser, Jack; Kruglanski, Arie W.; Sulloway, Frank J.
Psychological Bulletin, Vol 129(3), May 2003, 339-375. doi: 10.1037/0033-2909.129.3.339
Analyzing political conservatism as motivated social cognition integrates theories of personality (authoritarianism, dogmatism-intolerance of ambiguity), epistemic and existential needs (for closure, regulatory focus, terror management), and ideological rationalization (social dominance, system justification). A meta-analysis (88 samples, 12 countries, 22,818 cases) confirms that several psychological variables predict political conservatism: death anxiety (weighted mean r=.50); system instability (.47); dogmatism-intolerance of ambiguity (.34); openness to experience (-.32); uncertainty tolerance (-.27); needs for order, structure, and closure (.26); integrative complexity (-.20); fear of threat and loss (.18); and self-esteem (-.09). The core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and justification of inequality and is motivated by needs that vary situationally and dispositionally to manage uncertainty and threat. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved)
Summary:
Some conservatives are motivated by fear, distrust and hate.
e. edelman
2:37 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Then separate you local NH "Liberty Groups" from the vastly funded by GOP operatives "Tea Party". Don't confuse your readers, clarify with facts.
Try some of these links for what's really going down in these post-Citizens United days:
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://maplight.org/
http://www.legistorm.com/
http://www.congressmatters.com/
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://www.opencongress.org/
http://www.congressmatters.com/
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://www.govtrack.us/
http://maplight.org/
Marc Leandro
3:14 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Thanks for the replies, honestly. I'm happy to have started what seems to be a lively little debate here! However, you have not to my mind adequately responded directly to my issue with the headline, whether or not you wrote it (but seems you are saying you did) -- Why would you use the phrase "liberty groups" in the first place? Sure, they bandy about that term ad nauseum, this is true. But they are known in general and certainly in the journalistic sense as "tea partiers". Let me use hyperbole here: If a group calling itself "Nazis for Peace" were to hold a rally in your town, would the headline read "Peace group protests..." ? Of course not. But when you confer such status on a fringe group - and these are fringe groups if any reasonable definition of the margins still exists, you are doing your readers a disservice.
Tony Schinella
4:13 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
@ Marc: I'm sorry, you didn't ask a direct question about that. Since you are now, I'll answer: I wrote the headline.
Second, the members of the group described themselves as liberty groups and, as noted, two have the word "liberty" in their names (maybe more, I only know of four groups represented at the counter-demonstration).
You wrote: "Let me use hyperbole here: If a group calling itself "Nazis for Peace" were to hold a rally in your town, would the headline read "Peace group protests..." ?"
Well, honestly, I'd need more than this sentence to render a decision on that. I rarely write headlines before seeing or hearing what I see or hear in a story. The content mgmt software we're using really requires limited wording on headlines. What do you think? "Nazi Peace Group Protests in Concord"?
BillFromDover
1:50 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
"The Tea Party stands for some very clear, very well defined, very well-articulated over time principles and values,” he said"
Ummm... yeah, that's why they campaigned both for and against him.
BillFromDover
1:52 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
"The Tea Party stands for some very clear, very well defined, very well-articulated over time principles and values,” he said"
Ummm... right, that's why they campaigned both for and against him.
"Before the demonstration, Jackie Bodnar, a representative of FreedomWorks, handed out a seven-page memo..."
And a good thing too, as if these zombies ever had an original thought!
Winghunter
9:14 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Therefore, you're declaring Communism is an original thought, Comrade??
Handing out facts of a record is educating verses parroting what you hear from other Useful Idiots.
Dave Morgan
2:41 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
The Tea Party is the rough equivalent of for former John Birch Society. Today's "main stream media" wouldn't give the John Birch Society the time of day much less copious quantities of air time. The "main stream media" is more than 50% "carnival."
Eve
10:13 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
The John Birch Society has booths at many kiosks at Teaparty rallies. I wonder why that is?
AQueryan
4:17 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Conservatism is a FEAR-based ideology. And when taken to an extreme, promotes debilitating small-mindedness typified by the likes of Wingnutter (see posts above). And today's self-proclaimed 'conservatives' - especially those who've bought into this manufactured 'Tea Party' nonsense (and it IS nonsense) - ARE, almost without exception, increasingly extreme (and homogeneously so).
Seriously, I can't point to a single tride-and- true 'conservative' today with a genuinely curious, open mind and a robust imagination.
And It doesn't take a genius - merely an emotionally and intellectually HONEST critical thinker - to see that there is a direct correlation between the sort of extremist-brand Conservatism being opportunistically courted by Republicorp and the sort of closed-minded fundamentalist 'thinking' that outrightly rejects, as a matter of twisted principle, any competing or alternative perspective that might dare challenge it (refer to any of Wingnutter's psychologically-impaired posts above for an example).
PhysicaLiteral inbreeding dramatically increases the risk of physical deformity in offsprings. This is a proven fact. Should it therefore come as a surprise to discover that 'mental inbreeding' of the sort practiced by fear-based 'Conservative' ideologues (who essentially only engage in verbal 'intercourse' with those of like minds) produces deformed mentalities?
Corinne Wong
4:18 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
The real Tea Party is a very shadowy group. They are not "patriots" they are TRAITORS to our democracy, and they work from within our government. They advocate the total take down of our government and are advocating a civil war. They use their "man on the street" protesters as their unsuspecting tools. They are really a small minority and they believe in establishing a white supremacy, a strange mix of religious right wing pseudo Christian religious government and a corporatocracy. The Heritage Foundation rewritten bible for profit is their claim to legitimacy. Even Jesus would be surprised to hear all the things the Heritage Foundation says he has said. "Limited government" really means to them the take down of our democracy, the democracy we all love, the one so many have fought and died defending. These few protesters, and they are few, have no idea the evil they represent and are supporting. The core Tea Party people are NOT PATRIOTS they are TRAITORS from within. They are completely backed by corporations who find them useful to push through their ALEC written legislation in favor of tax breaks and the rights of corporations over the rights of the people. Be very, very, careful when recruited by this group.
Winghunter
9:14 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
The Wong Drool: "They advocate the total take down of our government".
A patriots first name isn't 'Comrade', Corrine. Follow Marx and his Useful Idiots if you dare, I'll follow these Patriots:
“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence—it is force.” – George Washington
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”- Patrick Henry
"To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude." - Thomas Jefferson
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." - Thomas Jefferson
Wong way drools more: "These few protesters, and they are few,.."
The 2010 election results clearly puts your psychotic rant in the Insane category as a "few" could not have replaced over 250 officials nationwide. You really should try reality for a change of pace.
Wong way: "They use their "man on the street" protesters as their unsuspecting tools"
Look up the term 'Useful Idiots' and see a picture of yourself staring back.
Prof Quincy A. Wagstaff
9:57 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Winghunter, your drool bucket is full. Please call a nurse to have it emptied, then come down to the dayroom for some nice tapioca pudding.
KHodder
5:32 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
The teapartier who mentions the "founding fathers" needs to realize that the fathers would be just as horrified with the current Tea Party group(s) as they would have been at the actions of Mitt Romney or anyone else on the republican ticket. Do they honestly think that John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin would agree with what they stand for? Absolutely not. Not even the republican patron saint, Ronald Reagan, would approve. The republicans of today and the tea party have completely misinterpreted the founding fathers actions. Kind of like how the fundamentalist christians continually misinterpret the Bible for their own gain and for others demise.
Winghunter
9:14 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
The Comrade who drools empty rhetoric instead of specific arguments (that he can't bring) needs to realize that the freedom to spew what he likes doesn't provide any truth to his rant.
KHodder
7:52 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Winghunter: "The Comrade who drools empty rhetoric instead of specific arguments (that he can't bring) needs to realize that the freedom to spew what he likes doesn't provide any truth to his rant."
You should heed your own words. The exact same statement could be used against your onslaught of inane posts...
Winghunter
9:14 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Ahh, when all else fails resort to denial. How typical. Look DEEP into your mirror;
The Liberal Mind: Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Dr. Lyle Rossiter http://bit.ly/a4RTOS
Joey Tranchina
9:01 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
KHodder: I agree with everything in your post, except the words: "Ronald Reagan."
Reagan was a soap salesman who understood the art of the possible, the times were more strongly against his fringe conservatism, so he tempered his rhetoric to schmooze his audience... Reagan was Governor of my home state of California. He devastated the states budget and left a mess of ever increasingly partisan politics.
I come from a political family of active Republicans and Democrats, at a time when the two parties worked together. But then — unlike now — we had politicians who could match socks. nReagan started the trend that ended that, for the corrupt advantage of those with big money. Sound familiar?
K
5:34 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Mr. Winghunter:
Read Alexander Hamilton much. You need to learn it yourself, so you can look it up.
K
5:38 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Hey, and provide Alexander Hamilton's complete thoughts on the meaning of general welfare so we can check your homework. If you can quote Madison you can quote Hamilton.
Winghunter
9:14 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Like this??
"Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." — Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 1
Remind you of anyone, Comrade??
Don Cfh
5:43 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Quote how these great god fearing men, created a government based on christian values, and oh ofcourse SLAVERY!.
K
6:45 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Winghunter:
"A Question has been made concerning the Constitutional right of the Government of the United States to apply this species of encouragement, but there is certainly no good foundation for such a question. The National Legislature has express authority "To lay and Collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the Common defence and general welfare" with no other qualifications than that "all duties, imposts and excises, shall be uniform throughout the United states, that no capitation or other direct tax shall be laid unless in proportion to numbers ascertained by a census or enumeration taken on the principles prescribed in the Constitution, and that "no tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state." These three qualifications excepted, the power to raise money is plenary, and indefinite; and the objects to which it may be appropriated are no less comprehensive The terms "general Welfare" were doubtless intended to signify more than was expressed or imported in those which Preceded; otherwise numerous exigencies incident to the affairs of a Nation would have been left without a provision. The phrase is as comprehensive as any that could have been used; because it was not fit that the constitutional authority of the Union, to appropriate its revenues shou'd have been restricted narrower limits than the "General Welfare" this necessarily embraces a vast variety of particulars."
Hamilton
5 Dec. 1791Papers 10:302--4
Winghunter
9:14 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Dredging up arguments laid to rest over 220 years ago can only be an attempt to push a disloyal agenda. Enabling free citizens is enslaving them.
"...although Alexander Hamilton and other leaders of the Federalist Party argued for an expansive reading of the spending power, their reading was, on the whole, rejected both by Congress and, after the election of 1800, by the executive. Indeed, the differing views on the scope of federal power was a principal ground on which the 1800 presidential-election contest between Jefferson and incumbent Federalist President John Adams was waged. As Jefferson would note in an 1817 letter to Albert Gallatin, the different interpretations of the Spending Clause put forward by Hamilton, on the one hand, and Madison and Jefferson, on the other, were “almost the only landmark which now divides the federalists from the republicans.” Jefferson won that election, and, save for a brief interlude during the one-term presidency of John Quincy Adams, the more restrictive interpretation of spending power was adopted by every President until the Civil War.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2011/01/Enough-Is-Enough-Why-General-Welfare-Limits-Spending
K
6:48 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
And Mr. WH:
I am not your comrade and given how you address people who disagree with you by throwing insults, it could be difficult to be your friend. But perhaps one could hope.
Eve
10:24 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
WH is just baiting people. He knew not what to say, so he insulted.
Pioussoldier
7:57 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Too many people just use their computers to shoot their mouths off. A voice is given too easily to people who don't know what they are talking about and who denigrate the educational effort required to honour the voice. The louder the voice, the wider the bore.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
The Great Race; Jack Lemmon as Dr. Fate: "Oh, I'll keep it to myself. Until the water reaches my lower lip and then I'M GOING TO MENTION IT TO SOMEBODY!"
12 Gauge
E
8:28 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Winghunter,
Why is it that when the Tealiban are questioned on matters of slavery or race they rush to point out that it was "Southern" Democrats who voted against the Civil Rights Act, who fought Jim Crowe Laws, and who founded the KKK, and it was a Republican President Abraham Lincoln who finally fought to end slavery.
Except they always leave out the word "Southern". In fact they try to shift the issue of racism on the current Democratic party when it is pretty clear to any person not ignorant of history that the racist "southern" Democrats referred to by the Tealiban are in fact the current "southern" Republicans. This switch in affiliation began in fact with the Civil Rights Act that was universally despised by the Dixiecrats and southern white voters who left the Democratic party and joined what is todays GOP.
Of the 96 House Democrats who voted against the Civil Rights Act, 87 were from the South. Of the 21 Senate Democrats who voted against it, 20 were from the South. They mostly left the party between 1968 and 1980 retiring or switchint to the GOP and that vote was a major reason. In the House: 80% of Republicans, 7% of Dixiecrats, 94% of other Democrats voted for it. In the Senate: 82% of Republicans, 5% of Dixiecrats, 98% of other Democrats voted for it. Southerners!
Since the Tealiban claims to be all about HISTORY you may want to focus on what actually happened, and not the myths you create to defend your brethren from charges of racism.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Yes, I've seen bigots attempt this drivel before. It's still stupid. Start on page 4 and learn history the way it actually happened;
The Democratic Party Owes Blacks An Apology http://bit.ly/sC4KJ
Eve
10:43 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Bravo. Excellent post. You are 100% factually correct. I find it amusing that WH resorts to the most obscure or rightwing mouthpieces to support his view. I wonder why that is?
Joey Tranchina
10:44 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
E: Again spot on.
This degenerate GOP also claims lineage from Lincoln's Republican Party, when in fact Republicans switched sides when Lyndon Johnson signed civil rights legislation.
NOTE: About 10 years ago, this Republican Party installed a portrait of Senator Hiram Revels from Mississippi — the first black senator in American history, who was a Republican. That was an attempt to claim the lineage of Lincoln and Frederick Douglas for a party that is far closer in spirit to the Knights of the White Camlia.
Everybody know that but Wingnutter who has special fringe sources of "information." He is correct in one way. The Democratic Party has its own White-Supremacists, who are more subtle in their racism, which has had pernicious effects on healing the stain of bigotry in America, but in the Democratic Party they represent a minority. As always, nothing is simple, when closely examined.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Hey Joey, here's your racists;
The Black Code: Why Obama Still Owns The Black Vote http://ht.ly/5FWxk
Plan on reinfesting America again?
socrates
8:55 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
"Liberty" groups?
Romney is not in favor of liberty?
What a stupid title.
Ben
9:24 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Folks, people like Winghunter gave up thinking a long time ago. These folks, whether zealots of the left or right, have found it easier to believe in a pat ideology unquestioningly -- maybe because it's so much easier and more reassuring than having to research issues and come to their own conclusions. Arguing with people like this is pointless: they don't consider what's said, only the ideological frame that they perceive the comment as being inside of, then they blast away at what they think is the ideological frame. There's no communication here. Time to pack up and move on.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Don't go away mad, just go away, Comrade. Take your mirror with you;
The Liberal Mind: Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Dr. Lyle Rossiter http://bit.ly/a4RTOS
E
9:45 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Wingnutter,
Isn't it odd to you that white southern voters who made up the Democratic electorate in the South pre-Civil Rights legislation now are the southern GOP base?
Perhaps you missed the voting record of "southern" Democrats vis a vis the Civil Rights Act.
Is it your contention that current White Supremacist groups vote overwhelming Democratic?
Do you disagree that it is the current Democratic party, and not the current GOP that is overwhelmingly supported by minorities in the election booth?
Or do you think the reason for that support is that minorities are incapable of voting for their best politiical interests (aka, they are ignorant that the GOP is really their best choice)?
Keep trying to re-write history. It does not take more than a few factual sentences to debunk your re-write.
Joey Tranchina
10:31 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
E: Well & clearly stated.
As you correctly analyzed, this conflict is about the continuing historical struggle for the soul of America, between those who embraced free labor and those who were willing to die to preserve their Christian, Bible-justified right to own, buy and sell human beings. Attacking the right to politically organize free labor was the agenda of the Klan and the other groups of racist terrorists who operated across the former slave states and among slavery sympathizers in other places, like Indiana. Keeping people down was their agenda; that's why they burned the Black schools rather than raise the pathetic literacy rate among White people.
PS. Wingnutter does not know enough about American history to re-write it. He just uses his rage to repeat the pooled ignorance that passes for US history among far-right-fringe-groups. The core concepts of this disinformation were largely written during Reconstruction. They have been passed around reactionary circles, in one form or another, ever since.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
So brainwashed that you don't recognize the truth when you see it then fall into denial and projection. It's pathetic really.
The Democratic Party Owes Blacks An Apology http://bit.ly/sC4KJ
Skeletons Inside Democratic Party Closet http://bit.ly/cJcnx3
Marc Leandro
3:23 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
WN, you realize that linking to essays of the bonafide fringe Right does your cause absolutely no service, right?
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
That's not how you pull yourself from denial, Marc. You actually read what's in the links and then make your pitiful attempt to refute what was said. I realize that sounds like work to you but, deal with it.
Larry WIlcoxx
9:53 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Wow...ol WInghunter is a hoot! I love it when douchebags like him/her/it get on their hobby horse and try to talk like adults. As if these useful idiots had a clue what the Constitution says or means. Hey WInghunter...why not stay in your doublewide with your little tri-coner hat and leave the discussion to people who literally don't have their head's up their asses.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
It's truly amazing to see a despicable worm so lazy that he only parrots what he sees having no knowledge of a term at all. Isn't that right, Comrade??
Marc Leandro
3:48 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I actually did read both, in full, and they're absolute rubbish. They are glorious conflagrations of the "Best of" list of logical fallacies -- interpretations of the past, and with regard to the Democrats history absolutely true interpretations, with the intended and entirely illogical end being that this had anything whatsoever to do with the present. And in terms of the article about blacks supporting Obama, I've seldom read anything so entirely insidious, ridiculous and indeed RACIST, in a long time. I actually thought it was an Onion article at first.
Joey Tranchina
10:03 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
"The need to be right is the sign of a vulgar mind"
Albert Camus
Joey Tranchina
10:15 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
For Wingnutter:
At my age, it is no longer surprising that those who know the least speak the loudest, but the fact that the American media kowtows to a lunatic fringe of the degenerate Republican Party — an organization that has, obviously, sold its soul to big money — amazes me.
I have no crystal ball, but if the American people are not committed to commit suicide, I suspect that the results of the November 2012 elections, will come as a big surprise to a fringe-group of folks who think that their ignorant, bigoted and superstitious nonsense is the voice of a majority of the American people. We'll see...jt
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Joey Marx: ""The need to be right is the sign of a vulgar mind" Albert Camus
"At my age, it is no longer surprising that those who know the least speak the loudest"
Don't tell me, you see no hypocrisy there at all.
AND the '12 elections will be just as big a surprise to the ignorant, bigoted and treasonous fring-group as it did for them in 2010.
Mark Dimuantes
10:18 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
I've noticed that the attendance at these so called tea party ralliies is minimal at best. The photos attached to this article show maybe 20 people in attendance.
When will the media, any media, actually report on the numbers in attendance at these tea party rallies. The actual numbers certainly do not seem to warrant the amount coverage these events seem to attract. Is it a slow news day or what?
Joey Tranchina
11:02 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
It's not a slow news day. It is part of the beltway mindset that the Tea-Party is important — this is their 'social movement of the decade' —so they react as if something significant is happening, when it isn't.
We've organized marches to demand better treatment for infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis, etc that attracted, literally, a hundred times that many demonstrators without getting that much press.
It's like the guy looking for his car keys under the street light, when he knows that he lost'em in a dark alley, because... "I can't see anything over there."
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Hey genius, It never occured to you that reporting a division (no matter how small) in the opposition is the intent.
You should let that roll around in your head for about a month just to see if it causes a spark or simply drop out of your ear.
kneaddough
10:30 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
The Tea Party stands for some very clear, very well defined, very well-articulated over time principles and values,”
The tea bag movement is a bunch of folks that think they know what the founding fathers wanted for this country in the modern age. It was ok for the FF to own and promote slavery, deny women the vote, and only allow white men with money to vote.
If this sounds ok to you then you are a tea bagger. All this high minded talk of limited govt. and the rest of their agenda is just a ruse, to limit voting so that they can control the country for their limited vision.
The tea baggers have only one thing in mind, to bring the country to it's knees and destroy the unity and patriotism that made the country great.
Tony Schinella
10:34 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Hey Mark, thanks for the note.
This story is the first of three entries about the Tea Party Express rally in Concord. Just to give you a bit of background on my process for covering this event, the counter-demonstration happened at 5:30 p.m., before the rally started. It was relatively short - three speakers - and I was able to put together a quick story during the beginning of the rally. There were about 25 counter-demonstrators from at least four New Hampshire Tea Party/liberty orgs.
Here is the second story about the rally: http://patch.com/A-lHLF
As you can see from the pictures, there were more than 20 people in attendance. My first pictures were taken right at the beginning and I estimate that there were about 200 people in attendance in three different sections of the park around the vans (this number doesn't include the main media people who were stationed in a section in the middle; there were other media folks scattered around the rally grounds). When Romney's supporters started showing up, the crowd increased by about another 50 people, I would guesstimate.
Compared to some Tea Party rallies, this was a pretty mellow crowd. It will be interesting to see what happens in Manchester later today.
Tony Schinella
10:35 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Here is the third part of the Tea Party Express story, some video clips: http://patch.com/A-lHVn
Mary Beth
11:00 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Hey, teaparty, 25 members?! You angry, old, medicare and social security s uc k i ng white folks have had your 15 minutes now go back to your caves.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Racist much, Behar??
Prof Quincy A. Wagstaff
5:23 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Wingnutter, if you're looking for a racist, just find a mirror.
Joey Tranchina
11:12 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
First thing I'd like to say is that you folks rock... I've read more, serious, thoughtful and insightful posts here, on average, than on just about any blog i read. Because of you this was fun.
It's also good to know that there are Wingnutters in the world so that their arrogance and ignorance does it's damage to the other side of these important discussions,
Calling people "Comrade" and "useful idiots" must be unattractive to people who spend less fo their lives thinking about these things than some of us, obviously, do.
He's the sort of guy you always want to see on the other side.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Here's your mirror, moron;
The Liberal Mind: Psychological Causes of Political Madness by Dr. Lyle Rossiter http://bit.ly/a4RTOS
Tony Schinella
11:12 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
@Joey: Thanks for the note. The Concord NH Patch coverage of the Tea Party Express rally has nothing to do with "beltway mindset." I try to cover everything that I can cover in Concord. If you look at the site, you'll see that since launching, we've been to a number of rallies and events including the No Jobs Fair/AFL-CIO rally, Planned Parenthood budget cut protests, and the multicultural fair at the State House, just to name a few. If you hold an HIV march in Concord, N.H., I'll be there too.
Joey Tranchina
12:07 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Tony: Sorry for my being unclear, I was addressing national coverage. I learned about this from a headline on Huffington post. Actually, because I live in France, it was international coverage of your reporting to which I referred.
I'm a photojournalist. I understand local coverage, but your local reporting wasn't picked up because 25 or 50 folks showed up with three-corner hats to carry signs. It was picked up because editors in DC and NYC and LA (and through them London, Paris, Singapore, etc.) think that the Tea-Party is a much bigger movement that is more important, electorally, than I think it is. I think that the Tea-Party's domination of the GOP is setting the party up for a huge breakdown. Of course, for the sake of full disclosure, I'm all for that. Given the degenerate state of this Republican party, I believe they deserve to fail and maybe that's what the editors want to see... but, if so... that ain't journalism. That's what FOX News does — manipulate the ignorant — and I, for one, don't like it.
Will Katz
11:13 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
Keep your tea away from me
You've been drinkin, I can see
I think I'll have a glass of lemonade
Your slash and burn democracy
Is not good public policy
That tea is causing your intelligence to fade
(watch the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmSh2qRHDnc
Joey Tranchina
11:17 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
I have a house to paint today, so I will leave you good folks with something Molly Ivins wrote about former Congressman Dick Armey, the front-man for the Koch brother's money at Freedom Works. Molly wrote:
"When ignorance gets up to $70 a barrel, I want drillin' rights in that man's head."
Philip Turet
11:42 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
So 25 whole people made a protest at a candidate's rally!!! Haloo.. it's a movement, it's a groundswell, it's a REVOLUTION!! Get a perspective.
Don
11:57 am on Monday, September 5, 2011
25 people huh? In a state of how many eligible voters?
ItBeMe
3:00 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
The bottom line is we need 4 more years of Barack Obama! He's done such an outstanding fantastic job for America and the minority community so far! He just needs 4 more years to put his plans in place. That's all. Those nasty racist Tea Party people are are a bunch of pooh-pooh pants. How dare they question our beloved Barack! So there, ha ha ha.
Marc Leandro
3:30 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Actually the bottom lime is that we have an intransigent opposition party that has done everything in its power to ASSURE that the economy does not improve, and the lion's share of the blame goes to them, along with a good portion of the blame to Obama for being absolutely inept at fighting for any ideal. (Don't expect me to defend him - an an ACTUAL liberal, I'm increasingly alarmed by his utter lack of political skill.) And furthermore, there now is a RIght in this country who's entire raison d'être is that government does not and CAN not work - how the hell is that a strategy for governance? Well by the looks of things, clearly it is not. If you are happy being in support of plutocrats and the top 1/10 of 1% of the country, good for you, thats fine. But please, please do not claim, when regurgitating the talking points of those who don't give a shit about anyone but the elite, to be somehow in support of "liberty", or the general good, or any single worthwhile notion - because you are not.
ItBeMe
4:24 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Based on my above comment what the hell are you babbling about? It appears it is YOU who needs to get his meds adjusted.
Marc Leandro
4:25 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I had my fears it was going to be over your head -- sorry to have strained your brain. Best of luck to you.
ItBeMe
5:29 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I think you're a legend in your own mind pal. Get some help please. Or, at best, move out of your mom's basement and get some air.
Joey Tranchina
5:50 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Our president remains far above the corporate-owned GOP whose goal is the permanent destruction of America's middle class. I’ve been a critic of the president, I think he’s made too many compromises. I believe that, by not backing labor unions, he has weakened his base and strengthened corporate exploitation — unless of course you want to work for Massa Wal-Mart. But for all my criticisms, of this president, I see his character & insight as so superior to the arrogant, self-dealing GOP, that it's foolish for us not to make 2012 the year for a showdown on the country’s future.
What made America the world's leading economy? Innovation. What made that innovation possible? Education. California, is the model, after becoming a world leader, CA built more prisons than universities. Where’s that society going? Answer: nowhere.
President Obama is about to propose a program of investment in infrastructure, education and research, that will bring jobs while providing a platform for a sustainable future. The GOP has their mocking response prepared, but what have they done but pass anti-abortion laws & attack the New Deal... This country is on the precipice of loosing its future yet a debate continues with people who are selfish & unserious... as if a prosperous future was guaranteed. Without investments in education and infrastructure in a society that both demands and rewards the discipline to pursue them, that prosperous future ain't gonna happen.
Marc Leandro
3:32 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I'm surprised and happy to see what a little tempest I started here, but disheartened that those in support of the "liberty groups" seem to be able to muster nothing more substantive than ad hominem, and links to frightening fringe essayists.
Winghunter
8:49 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Not only does a single loyal American have to fight off a patch of Useful Idiots not smart enough to stand on their own but also, he's expected to put up with a scumbag who censors his responses to insults.
Hey! GFYS!
Marc Leandro
3:39 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I think it's time to have your meds adjusted. Just sayin'.
Joey Tranchina
8:46 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
There is an intelligent argument for dealing with debt & deficits, while controlling deficit spending is obviously important, it is hard to make the case that a period of economic stagnation is the appropriate time to implement those constraints. As Maggie Thatcher said so eloquently: "The trouble with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people's money." The goal of a liberal society, one that prizes elements of social justice above unfettered profit for the few, is to keep the ball rolling for the sake of the greatest good for the greatest number of people (the Utilitarian principal...), it is neither to kill the golden goose, nor to give away all the eggs.
FACT: All the Republican economic arguments pale into hypocrisy
when placed against two facts: #1 the Bush tax cuts #2 the War in Iraq.
None of the great free marketers ever founded a nation, both Friedman & Hayak wrote brilliant, inspiring books on the value fo self-reliance & individual effort --- good values but insufficient to sustain any community. There is no Jefferson, Madison or Franklin among the Libertarians... there is no balance.
As Rabbi Hilel wrote a couple of millennia ago:
If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
If I am only for myself, what am I?
And if not now, when?
AQueryan
5:58 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
Wingnutter is such a laughably over the top character that he comes across as a full-blown parody of a TEA Party extremist.
In the event that he actually is for real and not some virtual performance art creation, I can deduce that he's not much of a movie fan. For if he'd seen Tropic Thunder he'd surely know better than to go 'full TEAtard'.
Joey Tranchina
8:50 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
I just noticed that I posted my last comment as ir it were a response to winghunter.
That was my mistake. It was not. It was an independent comment for discussion.
I have nothing to say to WH; I will gladly leave him alone
to admire his own intellectual superiority.
Jacklyn Arzio
9:56 pm on Monday, September 5, 2011
“The Tea Party stands for some very clear, very well defined, very well-articulated over time principles and values,” he said. “They start with a limited government, individual responsibilities, and free markets. Governor Romney, as governor of Massachusetts, his record stands in direct opposition of those principles.”
What you're really saying is that the Tea Party is the shill and supplies minions to do the grunt work for the mega corporations who are controlling their every thought and deed. Free market means no oversight: think BP Gulf Oil Spill, think Japan's nuclear reactor failure, think the Koch Brother's polluting our earth's water and air freely. The pathetic Tea Party members believe that somehow regulations and oversight are hampering business. No it isn't. It is hampering the obscene profits of the wealthiest 400 individuals who hold 1/2 of our nation's wealth. A lopsided situation new in the last 10 years.
Everytime I hear the word Tea Party my heart bleeds just a little bit for the ignorance and frustration their very existence represents.
Kay Ojen
7:38 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
yes!!
Kay Ojen
7:37 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
end the nonsense... remember whenAmerica was great and prosperous?
pick your favorite decade 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s
Let's tax at the rate of your favorite decade and the country would get back on track.
the tea party is not patriotic; it's idiotic
ItBeMe
10:00 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
As they say in NH - "Live Free or off somebody else".
Marc Leandro
10:05 am on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
@ItBeMe - Is there a cogent thought in that brain of yours, or do you just spit out slogans and talking points? Are you a Sarah Palin-bot?? Also, www.dictionary.com is available if you need a definition for cogent.
ItBeMe
2:16 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
I took your advice and looked up the definition of cogent:
co·gent adjective
1. convincing or believable by virtue of forcible, clear, or incisive presentation; telling.
2. to the point; relevant; pertinent.
Once again, as you babble on, you arrive at your own dimwitted conclusion that I'm a "Sarah Palin bot" based upon my 6-word quote of "Live Free or off somebody else". And you're telling me I'm NOT cogent. What a great mind you must be. I suggest you look up the definition of the word arrogant. Overbearingly assumming. Yeah, that's it !
Marc Leandro
6:52 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
Blah, blah, blah - what you said was still nothing but a slogan, and possesses nothing in terms or argumentation. You are seemingly just an angry person with venom to spew. If you want to make a point, write a few sentences and actually try to convince those on the other side...
ItBeMe
10:50 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
I don't know what "other side" you're referring to? I think you've made your point and it's on your head.
Marc Leandro
6:50 pm on Tuesday, September 6, 2011
http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779 Must-read for people interested in the current GOP.